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re: Hunting Club - Buck restrictions?
Posted on 11/1/22 at 11:26 am to speckledawg
Posted on 11/1/22 at 11:26 am to speckledawg
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Find your 4.5 year old minimum weight and it works.
Not everybody has the same deer so read above.
Posted on 11/1/22 at 12:50 pm to Shabath227
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Here is a question? If you had a 150 inch, 6 yr old 10 pt standing in the field, and a 2 yr old 4 pt, which one are you shooting?
This is a straw man that has nothing to do with the point. Everyone wants to see deer when they are hunting, take enough deer to keep it interesting, and shoot big mature bucks. The reality is you get to pick two, if you’re lucky. Neither you nor I have the right to pick for anyone else as long as they are following the law.
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purchased 218 aces this year
You own about 1/10th of a mature buck’s home range and about 1/5th of a doe’s, on the low end. Nothing you do individually from a management perspective will make a significant impact on the herd overall. You may be able to attract deer from the surrounding property by making yours preferential, but the majority of the harvest and density decisions are being made by your neighbors. You need to get over the contempt for people who lease and work with them if you want them passing on legal deer, or managing density in a significant way.
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My goal is to let it develop it into native grasslands and prairies where that’s it’s natural habitat. I also hope to develop sections of woodland savanna’s where the habitat is best for it.
This is terrible habitat for deer, and a good example of why your goals will have to diverge from what’s “natural” if you want to attract and hold deer. Deer don’t eat grass, and they will avoid an area altogether if it doesn’t have suitable cover. The bucks are on your property, and likely bedding there, because regenerated clearcut provides a high amount of forage per acre while also providing cover. Manage for early succession without changing the overall complexion of it because for what a deer wants and needs it’s not capable of being significantly better than it has been over the last two years or so. You can prevent it from declining by setting it back to that point in pieces.
Posted on 11/1/22 at 12:55 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
quote:Have to disagree with you here. Deer love and thrive in native grasslands/prairiequote:
My goal is to let it develop it into native grasslands and prairies where that’s it’s natural habitat. I also hope to develop sections of woodland savanna’s where the habitat is best for it.
This is terrible habitat for deer, and a good example of why your goals will have to diverge from what’s “natural” if you want to attract and hold deer. Deer don’t eat grass, and they will avoid an area altogether if it doesn’t have suitable cover.
But in the south, you will need more. That's incredible when you have midwest/plains veg that will grow to 6-8ft tall
This post was edited on 11/1/22 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 11/1/22 at 2:48 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Key word for habitat is diversity and I never said I wanted just whitetail habitat. I’m looking at habitat for all wildlife. Turkeys and quail thrive in native grasslands.
Native grasslands are full of big blue stem, little blue stem, narrow leaf silk grass, and eastern gamma grass just to name a few. Don’t confuse invasive pasture grasses with native grasses.
These native grasses allow forbs and herbs to grow amongst them. Deer absolutely love them and the native grasses grow anywhere from 3-8 ft in height depending on the variety.
Insects and bugs love the flowers and turkeys love insects and bugs.
PS - I don’t have contempt towards those who lease. Heck, I lease land to hunt. I showed contempt towards the gentleman who said what does it matter you what I do on my lease. I personally hate the “if it’s brown it’s down hunting style”. That’s just my opinion. As for picking for anyone else what they shoot, you are correct, this is America. The good part about America is that I can voice my opinion just as you can! That’s our First Amendment right. We may not agree, and that’s ok. I respect your right and his right to his choice and opinion, just as you should do the same!
Native grasslands are full of big blue stem, little blue stem, narrow leaf silk grass, and eastern gamma grass just to name a few. Don’t confuse invasive pasture grasses with native grasses.
These native grasses allow forbs and herbs to grow amongst them. Deer absolutely love them and the native grasses grow anywhere from 3-8 ft in height depending on the variety.
Insects and bugs love the flowers and turkeys love insects and bugs.
PS - I don’t have contempt towards those who lease. Heck, I lease land to hunt. I showed contempt towards the gentleman who said what does it matter you what I do on my lease. I personally hate the “if it’s brown it’s down hunting style”. That’s just my opinion. As for picking for anyone else what they shoot, you are correct, this is America. The good part about America is that I can voice my opinion just as you can! That’s our First Amendment right. We may not agree, and that’s ok. I respect your right and his right to his choice and opinion, just as you should do the same!
Posted on 11/1/22 at 2:58 pm to hubreb
We can only shoot 8 points or better and the rack has to be outside the ears. That and 2 does per year
Posted on 11/1/22 at 4:35 pm to Shabath227
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This is terrible habitat for deer, and a good example of why your goals will have to diverge from what’s “natural” if you want to attract and hold deer. Deer don’t eat grass, and they will avoid an area altogether if it doesn’t have suitable cover.
Ehhhh. I wouldn’t say all of that. It depends on what it turns out like. I wouldn’t do half the farm like that, though.
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Native grasslands are full of big blue stem, little blue stem, narrow leaf silk grass, and eastern gamma grass just to name a few. Don’t confuse invasive pasture grasses with native grasses.
Are you going to plant this, or are you expecting to just come up naturally. I would add some switch grass also. I would break your section down to multiple blocks. You will be able to burn at different times easier. You would never want to burn that hole area at the same time. Lists just say it is 100 acres I would make 7-10 separate blocks. Then you could alternate your burnings. Example: burn block 1, 5 and 9 this spring. 2,6 and 10 the next fall 3,6 8 2 years later.
Never burn adjacent sections unless absolutely necessary, and never have it on set schedules. Always assess it yearly. Spring for grasses and fall for forbs and legumes. Fall also to kill trees/saplings.
Posted on 11/1/22 at 6:20 pm to Outdoorreb
OutdoorReb,
All of the native grasses are already there. When I cut the 10 ft tall brush back, it exploded in certain sections.
I absolutely will break it into blocks. It’s part of the reason I’m bringing a professional in to help me set a plan.
I have west facing hillsides with Texas Live Oaks, Prickly lettuce cactus, chestnuts, and other Texas plant types.
I have north facing hill sides that are full of American beauty bush, wild blue berry, saw briers, blackberry briers, oaks, and pines scattered throughout.
Native diversity is what I’m shooting for.
All of the native grasses are already there. When I cut the 10 ft tall brush back, it exploded in certain sections.
I absolutely will break it into blocks. It’s part of the reason I’m bringing a professional in to help me set a plan.
I have west facing hillsides with Texas Live Oaks, Prickly lettuce cactus, chestnuts, and other Texas plant types.
I have north facing hill sides that are full of American beauty bush, wild blue berry, saw briers, blackberry briers, oaks, and pines scattered throughout.
Native diversity is what I’m shooting for.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 10:14 am to Barneyrb
When I was younger my dad was in a club that had 8 point rule. Shooting 2 year 8s like its going out of style, and there was a 5+ yr old 6 that was off limits and no one could ever get a kid on him. You should shoot age class, but I tend to shoot what gets me excited. I have let better deer walk and end up shooting something not as nice because of how the hunt played out. Last year killed a really nice 2 yr old 8 that I shouldn't have, but got caught up because of an encounter earlier in hunt. He came to grunt call, and I made the decision to shoot too soon after I saw tine length and width, completely failed to judge body. Little disappointing but still a hunt I wont forget!
Posted on 11/2/22 at 11:39 am to jchamil
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We're in the Black Belt in Greene County, AL
Where in Greene County - I used to hunt as a kid at Cook's Bend where my uncle was a member, this was 20+ years ago. Not even sure if it is still there.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 2:40 pm to whodatigahbait
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Where in Greene County - I used to hunt as a kid at Cook's Bend where my uncle was a member, this was 20+ years ago. Not even sure if it is still there.
A little south of there. My mom's family is in Boligee on the Tombigbee and my dad's family is outside of Eutaw just north west of 20/59.
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