- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Fertilizer Prices & Food Plots
Posted on 10/3/22 at 7:01 pm to Outdoorreb
Posted on 10/3/22 at 7:01 pm to Outdoorreb
How do the seeds that nature drops come up and thrive so well in the wild? No fertilizer is applied to any of it.
Scientists proved a few years back that if you plant at least 7 different varieties of seeds together, that the plants will take the needed fertilizer (like nitrogen) out of the air. The plants will cross feed each other the minerals the other plants need through diversity.
My place is new and most of the plots I created this year after purchasing. I broadcast seed into the old plots then mashed/crimped the grasses down on top of the seed. The seed is germinating and coming up through the old grasses.
The new plots: I used the old cutover piles of rotten logs and pine bark mulch to spread out over 1/2 to 1 acre areas. I then used the soil conditioner on my skid steer to blend into the Sandy clay soil. I didn’t use any fertilizer and the seeds exploded the first week. The deer are absolutely tearing the plots up. Now, I desperately need rain.
Guys, go listen to some habitat podcast. Land and Legacy is a good one as is the MSU deer lab.
The guy with Drop tine seed talks a ton about soil regeneration.
Save money and time and produce healthy soil and plots.
Scientists proved a few years back that if you plant at least 7 different varieties of seeds together, that the plants will take the needed fertilizer (like nitrogen) out of the air. The plants will cross feed each other the minerals the other plants need through diversity.
My place is new and most of the plots I created this year after purchasing. I broadcast seed into the old plots then mashed/crimped the grasses down on top of the seed. The seed is germinating and coming up through the old grasses.
The new plots: I used the old cutover piles of rotten logs and pine bark mulch to spread out over 1/2 to 1 acre areas. I then used the soil conditioner on my skid steer to blend into the Sandy clay soil. I didn’t use any fertilizer and the seeds exploded the first week. The deer are absolutely tearing the plots up. Now, I desperately need rain.
Guys, go listen to some habitat podcast. Land and Legacy is a good one as is the MSU deer lab.
The guy with Drop tine seed talks a ton about soil regeneration.
Save money and time and produce healthy soil and plots.
2
Posted on 10/3/22 at 9:24 pm to Shabath227
quote:
How do the seeds that nature drops come up and thrive so well in the wild? No fertilizer is applied to any of it.
Evolved over millions of years? Why is it that when you clear land of a CRP you have to lime? Why is it that you can look at a CRP with crappy soil and have crappy trees, but even on the same contract you can see where the soil was decent/good and the trees look 100-200% better? Why is it that some plants prefer more acidic soils? Why is it that when you take soil analyses they ask what crop you are wanting to grow? Why is it that some trees can take advantage of a closed canopy when others can’t? What does an extra 20-30 years of growth mean to a tree that has 100-300 years to live and reproduce?
Im not saying a couple years of fallow land with the right legumes can’t leave enough nitrogen to grow a plant, but I can’t see how they can leave enough nitrogen to make the plant thrive and make a yield like it would If you followed an analysis. Maybe over a decade or more, but your crops have to be lacking nutrients until the field is able to produce it on its own(if it ever can). Even after soybeans that leave ˜20-30lbs of N/Acre you have to make up the remaining Nitrogen. Alfalfa? Yea there is the possibility of a lot more N/Acre, but those are specific crops that humans have propagated over many years.
Ms. State is supposed to be looking into this in the next couple years, if they get the Grant money. Even then they will be specifically choosing which plants to plant in the spring and the fall. It isn’t just letting random weeds grow.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:48 pm to Shabath227
Forgot to mention:
You are talking about planting “Legumes” with other plants that don’t produce their own Nitrogen. The key is when to plant the non-legumes (i.e. grasses). Most of the stuff I have seen is that you plant the “legume crop” then after it matures it will help the following non-legume crop on Nitrogen needs. Like I said, if you want to plant corn after soybeans, and count on the Nitrogen leftover from the soybeans you basically only subtract 20# of N/Acre. You can use this same practice if you drained a catfish pond and started farming it.
Like planting wheat/oats in a clover field. The clover has added Nitrogen to the soil. As long as the PH is good the wheat/Oats can absorb and use the Nitrogen leftover from the clover from last growing season. If there is any plant/weed that uses Nitrogen growing in that “field” it is already using that available Nitrogen.
Someone else might know how much Nitrogen is available to Wheat/Oats/rye/whatever when planted at the same time of the clover(same growing season).
quote:
Scientists proved a few years back that if you plant at least 7 different varieties of seeds together, that the plants will take the needed fertilizer (like nitrogen) out of the air
You are talking about planting “Legumes” with other plants that don’t produce their own Nitrogen. The key is when to plant the non-legumes (i.e. grasses). Most of the stuff I have seen is that you plant the “legume crop” then after it matures it will help the following non-legume crop on Nitrogen needs. Like I said, if you want to plant corn after soybeans, and count on the Nitrogen leftover from the soybeans you basically only subtract 20# of N/Acre. You can use this same practice if you drained a catfish pond and started farming it.
Like planting wheat/oats in a clover field. The clover has added Nitrogen to the soil. As long as the PH is good the wheat/Oats can absorb and use the Nitrogen leftover from the clover from last growing season. If there is any plant/weed that uses Nitrogen growing in that “field” it is already using that available Nitrogen.
Someone else might know how much Nitrogen is available to Wheat/Oats/rye/whatever when planted at the same time of the clover(same growing season).
Page 1 of 1
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News