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Moon of Alabama - Ukraine
Posted on 9/30/22 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 9/30/22 at 5:10 pm
Snips...
The sudden disintegration of the Union in 1991 led to unruly phases in the newly created republics. Ethnic Russian people suddenly found themselves in territory that was no longer ruled by Moscow.
Before 1991 the Ukraine had never existed as a state or independent entity.
The country had strong economic relations with Russia. Its industry depended on Russian gas while nearly all its machine and steel exports went to Russia.
The U.S. did not like that. It wanted to control rule the Ukraine to be able to put pressure on Russia. It twice, in 2004 and in 2014, organized 'color revolutions' to overthrow elected Ukrainian governments which, for mostly economic reasons, tended to favor relations with Russia.
The 2014 color revolution was exceptionally brutal. The U.S. had organized extreme right wing groups to take the lead in violent protests. (The same groups were in the early 1940s allied with German Nazis and, between 1948 and 1952, were waging a CIA led guerrilla war against the Soviet Union.)
The first law that the new coup government implemented was a rejection of Russian as one of Ukraine's state languages. For some 50% of Ukrainians Russian is their daily language.
People in other former Russian parts of Ukraine protested and a some in the east took up arms. They twice defeated the Ukrainian army and volunteer formations sent against them. The Minsk I and II agreements that followed required Ukraine to give those Donbas oblasts significant autonomy. The United Nations Security Council acknowledged and supported the agreements. But any attempts to implement them were sabotaged by the U.S. via the armed right wing movements that had control over the government in Kiev.
For eight long years the people in the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics defended their borders against constant Ukrainian attempts to solve the conflict by violence. While the people in those republics had voted for the independence of their republics, and to become a part of Russia, the Kremlin did not want to accept that. It wanted that those republics stay within Ukraine and insisted on the implementation of the Minsk agreements.
In 2015 the U.S. and NATO started to build a new Ukrainian army. They succeeded. By 2021 it was larger than most armies of NATO countries. Plans were made to invade the Donbas republics. In 2021 Russia became aware that a first attempt was soon to be made.
When the Kremlin learned of new plans to attack the Donbas republics in 2022 it took a stand. It send quasi ultimatums to the U.S. and NATO and requested security agreements that would deny NATO membership to Ukraine. The ultimatums were rejected. The U.S. wanted war in Ukraine to a. 'weaken' Russia and to b. get stronger control over its European 'allies' and economic competitors.
On February 17 the Ukrainian army were prepared for an all-out attack on the Donbas. Over the next days the shelling increased from some 40 artillery explosions per day to over 2000 per day. Russia had to act. On February 22 it recognized the independence of the Donbas republics and signed defense agreements with them. But Russia also learned that the very limited forces it had sent were unable to fulfill its aim of disarming Ukraine. To call up and use reservist required a legal change. Hence the Referendum.
This little history lesson will not change anyone's firm opinion here on these happenings but that is how we got here. Like it or not.
Moon over Alabama
The sudden disintegration of the Union in 1991 led to unruly phases in the newly created republics. Ethnic Russian people suddenly found themselves in territory that was no longer ruled by Moscow.
Before 1991 the Ukraine had never existed as a state or independent entity.
The country had strong economic relations with Russia. Its industry depended on Russian gas while nearly all its machine and steel exports went to Russia.
The U.S. did not like that. It wanted to control rule the Ukraine to be able to put pressure on Russia. It twice, in 2004 and in 2014, organized 'color revolutions' to overthrow elected Ukrainian governments which, for mostly economic reasons, tended to favor relations with Russia.
The 2014 color revolution was exceptionally brutal. The U.S. had organized extreme right wing groups to take the lead in violent protests. (The same groups were in the early 1940s allied with German Nazis and, between 1948 and 1952, were waging a CIA led guerrilla war against the Soviet Union.)
The first law that the new coup government implemented was a rejection of Russian as one of Ukraine's state languages. For some 50% of Ukrainians Russian is their daily language.
People in other former Russian parts of Ukraine protested and a some in the east took up arms. They twice defeated the Ukrainian army and volunteer formations sent against them. The Minsk I and II agreements that followed required Ukraine to give those Donbas oblasts significant autonomy. The United Nations Security Council acknowledged and supported the agreements. But any attempts to implement them were sabotaged by the U.S. via the armed right wing movements that had control over the government in Kiev.
For eight long years the people in the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics defended their borders against constant Ukrainian attempts to solve the conflict by violence. While the people in those republics had voted for the independence of their republics, and to become a part of Russia, the Kremlin did not want to accept that. It wanted that those republics stay within Ukraine and insisted on the implementation of the Minsk agreements.
In 2015 the U.S. and NATO started to build a new Ukrainian army. They succeeded. By 2021 it was larger than most armies of NATO countries. Plans were made to invade the Donbas republics. In 2021 Russia became aware that a first attempt was soon to be made.
When the Kremlin learned of new plans to attack the Donbas republics in 2022 it took a stand. It send quasi ultimatums to the U.S. and NATO and requested security agreements that would deny NATO membership to Ukraine. The ultimatums were rejected. The U.S. wanted war in Ukraine to a. 'weaken' Russia and to b. get stronger control over its European 'allies' and economic competitors.
On February 17 the Ukrainian army were prepared for an all-out attack on the Donbas. Over the next days the shelling increased from some 40 artillery explosions per day to over 2000 per day. Russia had to act. On February 22 it recognized the independence of the Donbas republics and signed defense agreements with them. But Russia also learned that the very limited forces it had sent were unable to fulfill its aim of disarming Ukraine. To call up and use reservist required a legal change. Hence the Referendum.
This little history lesson will not change anyone's firm opinion here on these happenings but that is how we got here. Like it or not.
Moon over Alabama
Posted on 9/30/22 at 5:19 pm to LookSquirrel
quote:
Before 1991 the Ukraine had never existed as a state or independent entity.
This is typically how it goes. A country generally doesn't exist until it does. Poland for instance, one of our staunchest allies in the region, had never really existed prior to 1919. The Soviet Union and Nazi Germany both used this excuse as a reason to invade Poland in September 1939.
This post was edited on 9/30/22 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 9/30/22 at 5:24 pm to LookSquirrel
The US/CIA/State Dept have been doing such actions over the entire globe for 100+ years...
Posted on 9/30/22 at 5:25 pm to LookSquirrel
quote:
It twice, in 2004 and in 2014, organized 'color revolutions' to overthrow elected Ukrainian governments which, for mostly economic reasons, tended to favor relations with Russia.
[sarc] This is all ancient history and has nothing to do with the current geopolitical situation in the Ukraine.[/sarc]
Posted on 9/30/22 at 5:28 pm to LookSquirrel
But Russia's invasion was unprovoked!
Posted on 9/30/22 at 5:32 pm to LookSquirrel
Corroboration:
The Complex Situation In Ukraine The Fake News Media Is Selling A Simple Propaganda Version of How We Got Here - Brian Cates
https://briancates.substack.com/p/the-complex-situation-in-ukraine
This post was edited on 9/30/22 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 9/30/22 at 5:32 pm to LookSquirrel
Everything we see today goes back to the 2014 US coup. Obama (and Biden) have the blood and suffering of hundreds of thousands of people (perhaps millions) on their hands from that singular action.
Neither Biden nor Obama should EVER be allowed to talk about "threats to democracy" without being asked how deep their involvement in that action was.
Neither Biden nor Obama should EVER be allowed to talk about "threats to democracy" without being asked how deep their involvement in that action was.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 5:33 pm to LookSquirrel
I read the whole thing and not once did I read how horrible putin is. THIS IS DISINFORMATION
-REUTERS
-REUTERS
Posted on 9/30/22 at 5:39 pm to LookSquirrel
Yeah Ukrainians sure have been oppressing Russians for centuries
Posted on 9/30/22 at 5:40 pm to LookSquirrel
quote:
This little history lesson will not change anyone's firm opinion here on these happenings but that is how we got here. Like it or not.
History, smistory. Libs only care about how it feels.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 5:41 pm to PsychTiger
Putin accused Western societies of turning to "outright Satanism" by supposedly abandoning traditional values.
He said: "Now they have moved on entirely, to a radical denial of moral norms, religion, and family ...
"The dictatorship of the Western elites is directed against all societies, including the peoples of the Western countries themselves.
"This is a challenge to all. This is a complete denial of humanity, the overthrow of faith and traditional values.
He said: "Now they have moved on entirely, to a radical denial of moral norms, religion, and family ...
"The dictatorship of the Western elites is directed against all societies, including the peoples of the Western countries themselves.
"This is a challenge to all. This is a complete denial of humanity, the overthrow of faith and traditional values.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 5:47 pm to Kjnstkmn
I honestly can’t tell if people on here are actually Russians or just idiots. How many none ethnic Russians are within Russian boundaries? Is Putin rushing to give them autonomy? When he invaded Georgia was it to liberate Russians? And no there was no Ukraine before. That’s because the Ukrainian people had been under the thumb of the Russian Empire and then the Soviet Union. Lots of countries didn’t exist before they were released of imperial control. And the Russians have been pumping weapons and operatives into the disputed region for years. Putin gave no shits until the regime he controlled was dumped. The. Suddenly he was a bold liberator.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 6:08 pm to GnashRebel
quote:
I honestly can’t tell if people on here are actually Russians or just idiots.
I wonder that myself.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 6:16 pm to GnashRebel
quote:
How many none ethnic Russians are within Russian boundaries?
You mean like Chechen's?
Russia, as the largest country in the world, has great ethnic diversity, and is a multinational state, home to over 193 ethnic groups nationwide
Posted on 9/30/22 at 6:26 pm to LookSquirrel
quote:
You mean like Chechen's? Russia, as the largest country in the world, has great ethnic diversity, and is a multinational state, home to over 193 ethnic groups nationwide
That’s my point. Just like ethnic Russians live within the boundaries of Ukraine.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 9:31 am to LookSquirrel
interesting that the territory added in 1922 (with Bolshevism in full nascent strength) essentially re-forms the Khazar Empire
as that same Boshevik terror which killed 70 million Russians) was run predominantly by Khazars and ethnic Khazars
more to follow this primal tidbit
as that same Boshevik terror which killed 70 million Russians) was run predominantly by Khazars and ethnic Khazars
more to follow this primal tidbit
Posted on 10/1/22 at 9:34 am to PsychTiger
It is more than that as the Bolshevik revolution and it 70 million victims and worldwide chaos are attempting NOW to control "libs" (sheep of the world) everywhere
AND the way they 'feel'
AND the way they 'feel'
Posted on 10/1/22 at 10:02 am to LookSquirrel
Show me a way to the next whiskey bar
Posted on 10/1/22 at 10:07 am to markinkaty
quote:I like a good spirits buzz, but you mat want to stick around.
Show me a way to the next whiskey bar
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