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re: I’m Starting To Lean To The US Blowing Up Nordstream Because Of The Select Media Stories
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:34 am to crazy4lsu
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:34 am to crazy4lsu
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So are all states. Again, suggesting that the US is unique in this regard is hilarious, because nearly every state, it can be argued, exists as a kleptocracy on some level.
I never argued otherwise.
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The main difference is that the US has the capacity to even attempt nation-building, which is something that no other nation has at the moment
The Russians and Chinese did this remarkably well throughout the decades following WWII. The US cut its nation building teeth responding to these revolutions.
But nation building aside, to deny the possibility that the US destroyed this pipeline is to deny history, logic, and sanity.
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Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:38 am to Vacherie Saint
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But nation building aside, to deny the possibility that the US destroyed this pipeline is to deny history, logic, and sanity.
Nobody is denying the possibility. Some people are just saying that it's less likely than Russia or, hell, Ukraine.
The primary argument why it would be the US is kind of asinine (that we feared Germany would come to a deal by themselves with Russia). People dismiss my argument that Putin loves to create talking points to insulate him but most people doing that have literally posted talking points Putin created ("NATO expansion") to insulate him from blame in invading Ukraine.
You want to bring up history, let's look at recent history.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:48 am to Vacherie Saint
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The Russians and Chinese did this remarkably well throughout the decades following WWII.
The Russians no longer have that capability, but the Chinese are trying. Their initiatives haven't produced sustained results as of yet. India also signaled in 2019 that it was going to increase its FDI, but they have a complicated internal investment problem.
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But nation building aside, to deny the possibility that the US destroyed this pipeline is to deny history, logic, and sanity.
I'm not denying the outright possibility. I'm saying that the risks for the US within the geopolitical context are so great that it would undermine in a direct way what it took great pains to build. The minimum requirement for unilateral US involvement has to at least meet the larger framework of US geopolitical interest. Europe was likely not to buy gas from Russia for too much longer regardless of this war, as there already several projects underway to circumvent Russian gas, so I'm not moved by the short-term arguments relating to Germany and Russia. In addition, the German approach of rapprochement with Russia started under Merkel has been soured so severely that I'm skeptical that relationship will ever be repaired. The sea-change in German military policy is a signal to that. Lastly, Europe has been attempting to prepare for this winter by storing as much gas as possible, as I don't believe Nordstream 2 even entered into service at all and thus was not factored in to the change in European energy policy broadly. The gain for the US doesn't seem worth the massive risk.
This post was edited on 9/30/22 at 10:52 am
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