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re: Is Henry Kissinger's reason for Russian invasion of Ukraine wrong?

Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:44 am to
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:44 am to
In Europe, the northern coastal plains take up a large area that is difficult to defend and prone to sweeping mechanized army advances. The narrowest choke point in this coastal plain is in Germany, near the historic border of East and West Germany. The further East one goes from there, the wider this plain becomes, making it increasingly less defensible. At that point, the only thing which protects the Russian interior from invasion is time, logistics, and weather.

Every time NATO has expanded eastward from West Germany, it has made Russia’s interior more and more difficult to defend by having it placed around a wider potential front with a starting point closer to that heartland. Finland and The Ukraine are necessary buffers because an invasion into Russia from those points are so close to the Russian heartland, and along such difficult to defend terrain, that an adequate defense would be nearly impossible. A large scale invasion force from Finland could besiege St. Petersburg on the first day while simultaneously severing communications between the Russian government and their nuclear arsenal on the Cola Peninsula, essentially eliminating the option of mutually assured destruction.

A full scale invasion launched from The Ukraine could reach the Kremlin in just a couple days, advancing along wide, flat, open land. Russia cannot adequately defend itself from full-scale invasions launched from either of those locations. Estonia is precarious enough as it is.

As such, it is not shocking that Russia is acting how it is. NATO aligned Finland and Ukraine would be orders of magnitude more dangerous for Russia than a nuclear soviet-aligned Cuba was for America in the 1960’s.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
29895 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:47 am to
I don't need a European geography lesson

It doesn't make it any more likely that Russia actually views NATO as an offensive military threat. OF COURSE that is what Russia says its primary concerns are. What else would they say? "We regret that Lenin and Khruschev gave this territory to Ukraine, and now we want it back"?

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As such, it is not shocking that Russia is acting how it is.
I think it is funny that so many people are willing to blindly believe the public line from a nation who spent the entire 20th Century institutionally perfecting obfuscation as a foreign policy tactic.
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 11:48 am
Posted by sta4ever
The Pit
Member since Aug 2014
16025 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:49 am to
No one is going to invade Russia though. This isn’t the 1930s and 40s. This is 2022. You don’t need to be right up on someone’s borders to attack them, especially whenever you and them are armed with nuclear weapons. No one is going to invade a country armed with nuclear weapons.

This whole idea that Russia needs to protect its borders from the West is asinine. It’s pure Russian propaganda, to try and make what they’re doing justified.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
41776 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 12:42 pm to
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A large scale invasion force from Finland could besiege St. Petersburg on the first day while simultaneously severing communications between the Russian government and their nuclear arsenal on the Cola Peninsula, essentially eliminating the option of mutually assured destruction.

Welcome to 1950. There are things called satellites now. There is no conceivable way that NATO is invading nuclear Russia.
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