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re: Is Henry Kissinger's reason for Russian invasion of Ukraine wrong?

Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:36 am to
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:36 am to
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Lol. I didn’t realize it was aggressive for countries to determine their own fate, and what alliances they choose…


In a perfect world all countries should have the right to self determination. But this comment ignores the history of Ukraine and Russia. I understand NATO is sold as a defensive alliance against apparently weak Russia but Russia views NATO as an offensive advancement of western hegemony.

Posted by sta4ever
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Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:39 am to
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But this comment ignores the history of Ukraine and Russia


Please tell me what history I’m ignoring.

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but Russia views NATO as an offensive advancement of western hegemony


Russia views a lot of things differently than we do. Doesn’t mean they’re right though.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
27410 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:40 am to
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Russia views NATO as an offensive advancement of western hegemony.

Imagine believing that.

They want the resources.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
54308 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 12:00 pm to
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In a perfect world all countries should have the right to self determination. But this comment ignores the history of Ukraine and Russia. I understand NATO is sold as a defensive alliance against apparently weak Russia but Russia views NATO as an offensive advancement of western hegemony.

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“Don’t individual states reserve the right to enter into alliances with those they see fit, Niccolo?” Of course they do. But not all countries are islands, and most countries have neighbours. And not all neighbouring states are created equal, and they have their own national security concerns and interests. This is the case with Russia.

This guy has written a couple of good realist perspectives on how it got here.
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