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Seagull S6 and TheFretShack ETA p.1
Posted on 8/7/22 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 8/7/22 at 7:28 pm
Jeff did a set up on my Martin D-18 a while back, made a great guitar absolutely perfect as to playability.
So I took my 19 year old Seagull S6 cedar top to him and just got it back. Straight set up, lowered action, and also polished the frets. Jeff's work was, again, first rate and makes the guitar play very smoothly and easily.
I still don't get why the S6 doesn't get the love it should on this board. No, it doesn't have the bass and scoop a Martin does, but it is very warm and the notes sing beautifully when arpeggiated or picked.
Don't sleep on the S6, and bring whatever you can to TheFretShack for Jeff to set up. Both are time and money well spent. Plus hanging out with Jeff as time allows is crazy educational!
So I took my 19 year old Seagull S6 cedar top to him and just got it back. Straight set up, lowered action, and also polished the frets. Jeff's work was, again, first rate and makes the guitar play very smoothly and easily.
I still don't get why the S6 doesn't get the love it should on this board. No, it doesn't have the bass and scoop a Martin does, but it is very warm and the notes sing beautifully when arpeggiated or picked.
Don't sleep on the S6, and bring whatever you can to TheFretShack for Jeff to set up. Both are time and money well spent. Plus hanging out with Jeff as time allows is crazy educational!
This post was edited on 8/9/22 at 8:45 pm
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Posted on 8/7/22 at 8:09 pm to TheCurmudgeon
I had Jeff work on my Jackson a while back. He's a master of his craft and a walking encyclopedia when it comes to guitars and pickups.
Posted on 8/7/22 at 8:37 pm to TheCurmudgeon
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I still don't get why the S6 doesn't get the love it should on this board.
Probably because of that wide fretboard. 1.8" at the nut. They sound good though.
Posted on 8/7/22 at 8:51 pm to TheCurmudgeon
Seagulls just aren't super popular, I do think they sound good though and may would own one but I hate the look of the headstock.
Posted on 8/7/22 at 9:19 pm to SidewalkTiger
Thanks for the kind words, I'm honored so many of you guys let me work on your guitars and enjoying hanging out in my workshop. I delight in sharing my happy place and watching it make more happies.
As for the quality and value Seagull packs for pure players, I've talked about it enough to nauseate most folks. I love Seagull's wider string spacing, it makes it so much easier to play in the cowboy chord area. The headstock looks a little anorexic, sure, but you can't ignore straighter string pull than most every 3x3 head on the market (straight string pull promotes more stable tuning); plus less neck mass/weight to potentially throw off balance on a strap or in the case of right knee players.
As for the quality and value Seagull packs for pure players, I've talked about it enough to nauseate most folks. I love Seagull's wider string spacing, it makes it so much easier to play in the cowboy chord area. The headstock looks a little anorexic, sure, but you can't ignore straighter string pull than most every 3x3 head on the market (straight string pull promotes more stable tuning); plus less neck mass/weight to potentially throw off balance on a strap or in the case of right knee players.
Posted on 8/7/22 at 9:31 pm to TheFretShack
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I love Seagull's wider string spacing, it makes it so much easier to play in the cowboy chord area.
I like the Entourages just fine, they have a 1.72" nut width, but the spruce top ones are hard to come by around here.
My friend has one of the S6 models and that fretboard is just wider than I like.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 8:19 am to TheCurmudgeon
I bought an S6 slim a couple years ago and love it.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 9:31 am to TheFretShack
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TheFretShack
I'm not sure it's an S6 but I have a Seagull Performer. I have played electric all my life till this guitar, so when I had to start playing it more in this band I changed strings to a lighter gauge. Before I changed string gauge it stayed in tune great, but now not so great. I can do a basic set up on an electric but never have on an acoustic. What can I do to fix this tuning problem?
Posted on 8/8/22 at 12:43 pm to Tom Joad
There are many variables that come into play based on your description. If you changed to a lighter string gauge, and you say you do basic setup stuff, you likely need a truss rod adjustment for starters. How many string changes have you had since you moved to lighter strings, and did the tuning issues occur with every set of lighter gauge strings? How long has it been since you've lubricated the nut? Hit the nut slots with lip balm to lubricate them.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 8:17 am to TheFretShack
Thanks. I will do that.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 8:51 pm to auggie
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I still don't get why the S6 doesn't get the love it should on this board.
Probably because of that wide fretboard. 1.8" at the nut. They sound good though.
So, I broke out the caliper and measured my D-18 and my S6:
Nut: D-18 1.76", S6 1.80"
Outside low E to outside high E:
D-18 1.55", S6 1.53"
I will readily admit I'm not a very sophisticated player, but do these numbers really impact playability?
And yes, the S6 neck behind the fretboard in thicker. I do welcome any input. Thanks guys
Posted on 8/9/22 at 10:34 pm to TheCurmudgeon
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So, I broke out the caliper and measured my D-18 and my S6:
Nut: D-18 1.76", S6 1.80"
Outside low E to outside high E:
D-18 1.55", S6 1.53"
I will readily admit I'm not a very sophisticated player, but do these numbers really impact playability?
And yes, the S6 neck behind the fretboard in thicker. I do welcome any input. Thanks guys
I'm not a sophisticated player by any means, but I do use my thumb over the top quite a bit on the top 3 frets to do a bass pattern while I'm trying to do some finger picking. It works pretty well in the right key.
It's harder to do on that S-6 neck for me. The S6s are great sounding guitars though. My friend loves his.
This post was edited on 8/9/22 at 10:48 pm
Posted on 8/10/22 at 6:41 am to auggie
My structurally modified '73(ish) Hummingbird is the best sounding acoustic to have ever graced my shop, but its 70s-Gibson-era narrow neck profile makes it a challenge for me to consistently play cleanly in the cowboy chord area. My fingertips will get into and flub mute adjacent strings if I don't concentrate. I've contemplated selling it solely for that reason, which is tragic.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 9:30 am to TheFretShack
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My structurally modified '73(ish) Hummingbird is the best sounding acoustic to have ever graced my shop, but its 70s-Gibson-era narrow neck profile makes it a challenge for me to consistently play cleanly in the cowboy chord area. My fingertips will get into and flub mute adjacent strings if I don't concentrate. I've contemplated selling it solely for that reason, which is tragic.
Every player is different. I have long skinny fingers with a fat thumb.
A nut width of 1.7" - 1.72" is about perfect for me, my Takamine and my new Epiphone are both right at 1.7". Martin guitars tend to be wider than that, at 1.75", I can deal with that, but it's getting up there at the upper limits for me.
1/32"-3/64ths of an inch difference, might not sound like a huge difference to some people, but it can be pretty important.
You've probably tried custom slotting the nut for your Hummingbird already, with a slightly wider string spacing?
An extra .005" between strings, can make a huge difference.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 9:52 am to auggie
Wide slotting any nut regardless of fingerboard width will have the Es rolling off the fret bevels even in the cowboy chord area, not a solution just a new unfixable problem.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 10:53 am to TheFretShack
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Wide slotting any nut regardless of fingerboard width will have the Es rolling off the fret bevels
It can, if you go too wide. You have to have the capability and equipment to make extremely small adjustments. You can't do it with a file or hand tools. You need a good milling machine, cutting tools and solid vice, everything indicated in properly (not some crap from harbor freight) at least, so you can make consistent adjustments .001" at a time.
We're only talking about increasing the distance between 1st and 6th strings, by .020-.025", which is about the same as 5-6 human hairs, and then dividing that up in the spacing between the other strings.
Try it on a new unslotted nut. You can always put your original nut back on, if it doesn't work out for you.
This post was edited on 8/10/22 at 1:06 pm
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