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re: Will the DOJ Indict Trump soon?

Posted on 8/8/22 at 11:22 am to
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 8/8/22 at 11:22 am to
if you say so, counselor.

what do you make of d.c. charge of manslaughter?
have you followed that one?
it was presented thus on msnbc.
if you could have stopped the death of cops but you stood by...


This post was edited on 8/8/22 at 11:24 am
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48663 posts
Posted on 8/8/22 at 11:30 am to
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if you say so, counselor.


Read it, Otto. Educate yourself and you decide. I’m confident once you read it your prediction will change.

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what do you make of d.c. charge of manslaughter?


That’s even more ridiculous. Stop watching MSNBC and do a modicum of research.

In DC both negligent involuntary manslaughter and misdemeanor manslaughter require that the defendant caused the death of the victim. It is the very first element of both statutes.


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if you could have stopped the death of cops but you stood by...


Not a single officer died on Jan 6th.

Posted by basionok
Member since May 2022
403 posts
Posted on 8/9/22 at 11:32 am to
No matter what Garland or Wray say, no matter what the FBI attested to in a search warrant application, no matter what cause a federal judge found, Americans won’t trust them and they shouldn’t.

Four fake FISA applications and the ensuing surveillance orders authorized by the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court are the first reason why.

When the public learned that the Department of Justice had obtained a warrant to surveil former Trump campaign advisor Carter Page, the government and the media cartel assured Americans that the FISA court would only authorize such wiretapping if probable cause supported the surveillance. They also assured us that since Page was no longer a member of Trump’s campaign, the FISA orders did not target Trump. And the FISA application process, we were told, was robust, with multiple layers of review. Worry not, the government soothed, all was on the up and up.

But none of it was true. The FISA application process, far from being robust, consisted of rubber-stamping by FBI and DOJ officials who were, at best, willfully blind to the defects in the applications. And the agents who wrote the applications or supposedly reviewed and checked the information provided, either lied, withheld material information, included information disputed by the purported sources, or some combination of the three. In total, the Office of Inspector general found 17 significant inaccuracies or omissions and missed another one.

Later the public learned that in the process of renewing the Page FISA application, attorney Kevin Clinesmith lied and altered an email to hide Page’s work with the CIA and to allow the surveillance to continue. Eventually, the DOJ admitted there was no probable cause to surveil Page.

Americans would also learn later that notwithstanding the claims that the wiretapping of Page did not reach Trump’s team, that the surveillance did indeed sweep up campaign communications and later conversations between Page and Trump advisors.

Equally damned was the FISA Court which approved the four warrants based on double and triple hearsay of unknown and unverified sources and based on media reporting: Even if every word in the applications were true, the lack of verifiable sources rendered the applications insufficient, as a matter of law, to establish probable cause. Yet, the FISA Court issued not one, but four surveillance orders, none of which were legally justified.

The DOJ, FBI, and the courts likewise proved themselves untrustworthy in the case against Michael Flynn, a Lieutenant General who served this country with bravery and honor for decades. The FBI opened an investigation into Flynn shortly after receiving false information from Stefan Halper that implausibly claimed Flynn left Cambridge with a young woman with Russian roots. Then, after FBI agents decided to close the investigation against Flynn as unfounded, the 7th Floor intervened, and a kill shot was taken against Trump’s incoming National Security Advisor.

Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s later extracted a plea from Flynn for purportedly lying about a conversation he had during the transition period, by threatening his son. Then, after an independent investigation of the Flynn case revealed there was no basis to charge Flynn, a federal court refused to dismiss the charges — again proving that the courts provide no check on a corrupted FBI.

This synopsis barely scratches the surface of the duplicity and lies advanced by the FBI and the DOJ to destroy a Lieutenant General and a CIA source, all to “get Trump.” And the courts tolerated the abuse.

So, no, Americans do not need to wait for Garland or Wray to explain the basis for the raid; and we do not need to defer to the court that issued the warrant. The same deep state willing to lie and connive to destroy a presidential campaign and the president will be willing to do so again to destroy a former president and potential future presidential candidate.

The lesson has been learned. The question now is what to do, besides dismantling FBI Headquarters.

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Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79881 posts
Posted on 8/9/22 at 11:37 am to
I really think that Otto is either dyslexic or dishonest.

If he’s dyslexic, that 188 is actually 88.1.

Either way, he’s fudging the IQ by about 100 pts.
Posted by basionok
Member since May 2022
403 posts
Posted on 8/9/22 at 5:32 pm to
"The best way to avoid FBI raids is to avoid committing federal crimes," Rep. Seth Moulton (D-Mass.) tweeted on Monday.

"That's what happens when you break the law, try to steal an election, and incite a deadly insurrection. Donald Trump should be in jail," said House Progressive Caucus Chair Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.). "I'm glad to see the FBI taking steps towards accountability."

The agents were seeking evidence related to whether Trump removed classified documents from the White House to his compound at Mar-a-Lago.

The agents who executed the search were from the Washington Field Office, the same office that whistleblowers recently complained to Sen. Charles Grassley was involved in political meddling into investigations involving Trump and Hunter Biden.

Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-Calif.) claimed the raid was lawful.
"We are witnessing the difference between an honest system and a corrupt one. In 2020 Donald Trump brought us dangerously close to a permanently corrupt America. The rule of law is taking shape. And accountability is coming."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said there must have been justification for the raid.

Michael Cohen, who represented Trump until 2018, said: "Here's what Trump's attorneys should be telling him: 'when the fbi raids, all you can do is prepare for jail.' No one is above the law! #KarmaBoomerang."

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Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50714 posts
Posted on 8/9/22 at 5:37 pm to
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I can't see a world where the right would riot



It wouldn't be a riot.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
27722 posts
Posted on 8/9/22 at 5:45 pm to
1 in 4 chance. Let's see what other frickery goes down in the next few days.
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