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re: Fauci’s beagle torture/murder is over; 4,000 beagles looking for homes

Posted on 7/12/22 at 3:12 pm to
Posted by TX Tiger
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Posted on 7/12/22 at 3:12 pm to
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only in the clarification of his involvement of "beagle torture" per statements made.

this thread is already gone way of track and Fauci is being discussed outside of that topic
In your opinion, were these beagles not tortured? And in your opinion does Fauci bear any responsibility for this facility that is being shut down?
Posted by Sao
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 7/12/22 at 3:18 pm to
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Fauci bear


Could be a good seller. Not as good as Trumpy Bear but that's another topic.
Posted by caro81
Member since Jul 2017
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Posted on 7/12/22 at 3:34 pm to
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In your opinion, were these beagles not tortured? And in your opinion does Fauci bear any responsibility for this facility that is being shut down?


i assume you mean the envigo beagles in particular.

no i dont. i think they were grossly mistreated. Torture is intentional and malicious. What happened in that case was negligence. No less forgivable, but different. The envigo site was justly shut down. Its a big stain on animal research and a set back in public opinion. that is FAR, FAR from the norm when it comes to the care and use of animals in research.

Is Fauci responsible for that? no. So lets play out the fantasy that he oversees how every single NIH grant is distributed (he doesnt, realistically, he probably has no say in any, i cant say for sure though). Those funds (grants, not contract, but i digress) would go to individual research. How the research uses those funds to acquire animals depends on the principle investigator (the person doing the research). the
NIH would have no authority over Envigo, a company who is specific purpose breeding beagles for the sale of animals for research. They arent funding envigo to breed animals for sale (not directly). Envigo would be doing that with or without government purchases.

The entity who would be responsible for the oversight of Envigo since they are breeding animals for research that are usda regulated species (dogs are one such species) would be the USDA. By law (the animal welfare act and regulations) the envigo site would be inspected by the usda every 6 months by an appropriate team of inspectors. They have the authority to shut it down, and did.

Since its a private company, the person responsible should be the CEO and the board. their heads should roll for letting those dogs down by providing that type of care and environment for them. If there is evidence the USDA wasnt doing their job and allowed this to go on without repercussion, it would be the state director of the usda that would be in for a shite storm.
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