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What do LSU fans generally think of Mark Richt as a coach?
Posted on 10/21/08 at 9:11 am
Posted on 10/21/08 at 9:11 am
I have an LSU fan friend who constantly bashes Richt. He calls him "Richthead" (whatever that means), says Georgia runs "a retarded playfake offense", and says that Richt has greatly held Stafford back and misuses him (by not going shotgun with more WRs and throwing more often). He says that as an LSU fan he hopes Richt never leaves Georgia.
I've pointed out: 1) that UGA's offense was twice at the top of the league before Stafford (1st in '02 with Greene, 2nd in '05 with Shockley), 2) that our OL has been really bad for most of Stafford's time (6 freshmen starters (4 of them true freshmen) in his OL the last 2 seasons), and 3) that Richt has beaten LSU pretty handily in the last 2 games, including one as an underdog in an SECC game (thus making his suggestion that Richt being at Georgia is good for LSU at least a little odd, imho).
But of course, none of this registers, and he goes on with bashing Richt constantly (...for whatever that's worth, of course... I don't really care what he thinks of Richt; I just find his arguments to be really bad).
Anyhoo... these discussions have made me curious as to the general take on Richt from LSU fans. What do you think?
I've pointed out: 1) that UGA's offense was twice at the top of the league before Stafford (1st in '02 with Greene, 2nd in '05 with Shockley), 2) that our OL has been really bad for most of Stafford's time (6 freshmen starters (4 of them true freshmen) in his OL the last 2 seasons), and 3) that Richt has beaten LSU pretty handily in the last 2 games, including one as an underdog in an SECC game (thus making his suggestion that Richt being at Georgia is good for LSU at least a little odd, imho).
But of course, none of this registers, and he goes on with bashing Richt constantly (...for whatever that's worth, of course... I don't really care what he thinks of Richt; I just find his arguments to be really bad).
Anyhoo... these discussions have made me curious as to the general take on Richt from LSU fans. What do you think?
This post was edited on 10/21/08 at 9:13 am
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Posted on 10/21/08 at 9:12 am to FrodgieBoolatz
Prediction: This thread is not gonna be pretty...
Posted on 10/21/08 at 9:15 am to dawgorama
I would say that Richt is a top-tier SEC coach that has never gotten it done on the biggest stage. He is 2-1 in the SEC Championship game, which is more than I can say for most SEC coaches.
He consistently has a highly rated team that loses to teams that shouldn't beat them. He has built a very successful program, but has never put it all together in one year.
And he appears to be a whiny bitch.
He consistently has a highly rated team that loses to teams that shouldn't beat them. He has built a very successful program, but has never put it all together in one year.
And he appears to be a whiny bitch.
Posted on 10/21/08 at 9:16 am to dawgorama
Not many coaches in the SEC have done less with so many talented athletes....
Posted on 10/21/08 at 9:16 am to FrodgieBoolatz
I've always thought of Richt as a very good coach who is so very close to getting a Natl Champ.
If anything I think he seems to be underrated compared to all coaches. You really don't hear much about him. He always has a good product out at UGA, it's just he hasn't gotten that title yet.
If anything I think he seems to be underrated compared to all coaches. You really don't hear much about him. He always has a good product out at UGA, it's just he hasn't gotten that title yet.
Posted on 10/21/08 at 9:17 am to athletemed
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Not many coaches in the SEC have done less with so many talented athletes....
Perfect description.
Posted on 10/21/08 at 9:17 am to FrodgieBoolatz
Great coach but....I think he fails under pressure. Not necessarily in big games, b/c I've seen him win those. Just in terms of a season. When the pressure is on with national title hopes, he always loses one or two he shouldn't. When they are supposed to suck, he wins 3 or 4 he shouldn't.
I'd have to ask a UGA fan's opinion, but he may be too loyal to his coaches. I know plenty of UGA fans are disgusted with the coordinators.
ETA: It's not even that he loses one or two he shouldn't, but when they lose them. They always lose a game like that when there are 3 1-loss or undefeated teams. If he goes 12-1, two other teams go 13-0. If he goes 11-2, two other teams go 12-1. Not to mention when he has his best seasons, they still lose to Florida or Tennessee. They are his thorns in the side.
I'd have to ask a UGA fan's opinion, but he may be too loyal to his coaches. I know plenty of UGA fans are disgusted with the coordinators.
ETA: It's not even that he loses one or two he shouldn't, but when they lose them. They always lose a game like that when there are 3 1-loss or undefeated teams. If he goes 12-1, two other teams go 13-0. If he goes 11-2, two other teams go 12-1. Not to mention when he has his best seasons, they still lose to Florida or Tennessee. They are his thorns in the side.
This post was edited on 10/21/08 at 9:22 am
Posted on 10/21/08 at 9:17 am to DrEdgeLSU
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He consistently has a highly rated team that loses to teams that shouldn't beat them.
What are some examples of this (that couldn't be given for other SEC coaches)?
Posted on 10/21/08 at 9:20 am to FrodgieBoolatz
He's a whiney baby 
that does seem to have his teams underperform as of lately. The SECCG Georgia faced an LSU team that had no rest for like 10 straight weeks before that, had Katrina on their minds and were basically just worn out mentally and physically.
I'm not saying Georgia is a bad team by any means but I think Richt's teams usually underperform.
that does seem to have his teams underperform as of lately. The SECCG Georgia faced an LSU team that had no rest for like 10 straight weeks before that, had Katrina on their minds and were basically just worn out mentally and physically. I'm not saying Georgia is a bad team by any means but I think Richt's teams usually underperform.
Posted on 10/21/08 at 9:20 am to Akit1
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If anything I think he seems to be underrated compared to all coaches. You really don't hear much about him. He always has a good product out at UGA, it's just he hasn't gotten that title yet.
12-1 SECC in 2002. Didn't get to play in the MNC game.
LSU went 12-1 (SECC) in 2003. Got the needed upset elsewhere though.
Pretty bad luck on that one, imho.
10-2 (6-2) regular season last year. Same as with LSU again.
None of that is to take away from LSU's MNCs, of course. But it's not like Richt was substantially worse in those seasons.
Posted on 10/21/08 at 9:21 am to FrodgieBoolatz
I didn't say other coaches don't do it, but the easy example is that they shouldn't have been blown out at home against Bama. And don't say that it was an 11 pt game. It was 31-0 at one point. Bama is not that good, and Georgia is better than that. But Richt can't win every game.
Posted on 10/21/08 at 9:21 am to FrodgieBoolatz
well the big loss in the Sugar Bowl to WVU in their own backyard for one, Sugar Bowl was in Ga. that year. but overall I must say coach Richt is a good coach.
Posted on 10/21/08 at 9:22 am to tigersaint26
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He's a whiney baby that does seem to have his teams underperform as of lately. The SECCG Georgia faced an LSU team that had no rest for like 10 straight weeks before that, had Katrina on their minds and were basically just worn out mentally and physically.
You sound like you are whining, fwiw.
Posted on 10/21/08 at 9:22 am to SaintLSUnAtl
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When the pressure is on with national title hopes, he always loses one or two he shouldn't.
What did he do that was substantially different than Les Miles in this regard last year? They both were 10-2 (6-2) through the regular season. Sounds like pretty comparable performances, imho.
Posted on 10/21/08 at 9:23 am to dawgorama
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You sound like you are whining, fwiw.
Seriously. Katrina?
They were a 2-point favorite going into the game. Georgia was picked 3rd in the SEC East that year.Posted on 10/21/08 at 9:25 am to tubucoco
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well the big loss in the Sugar Bowl to WVU in their own backyard for one, Sugar Bowl was in Ga. that year.
Sure... definitely a bad loss. Like Urban Meyer losing as a 24-point home favorite to Ole Miss... or as a double digit favorite to a bad Michigan team... or Steve Spurrier losing two years in a row to Vanderbilt... or Miles losing to Arkansas at home with the MNC riding on it (or so it was thought)... or Nick Saban losing to Louisiana-Monroe, losing 5 games in 2002 (something Richt has never done), etc...
All of whom are great coaches, of course.
This post was edited on 10/21/08 at 9:27 am
Posted on 10/21/08 at 9:26 am to FrodgieBoolatz
As a combination coach, recruiter, and program-builder, I don't think he takes a back seat to anyone in the SEC and if he does, it's not by much. He has won the SEC and had elite/top 5 national finishes. I don't think you can ask more than that. I love that the Tigers have won a couple of NC's lately, but there is usually some luck invovled just in getting to the game.
I do think Richt went overboard in making the case for the Dawgs being in the NC game when his team had not won the SEC and had been beaten decisively by SECCG participant TN.
I do think Richt went overboard in making the case for the Dawgs being in the NC game when his team had not won the SEC and had been beaten decisively by SECCG participant TN.
Posted on 10/21/08 at 9:26 am to tigersaint26
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He's a whiney baby
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The SECCG Georgia faced an LSU team that had no rest for like 10 straight weeks before that, had Katrina on their minds and were basically just worn out mentally and physically.
Who's whining?
Posted on 10/21/08 at 9:26 am to FrodgieBoolatz
FB, LSU didn't get a upset in '03 to play in the NC, thet were ranked No. 2 ahead of USC, if anything the upset of Ok.should have helped USC, that's why they got the AP title, which should have went to LSU, also.
Posted on 10/21/08 at 9:27 am to N.O. via West-Cal
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As a combination coach, recruiter, and program-builder, I don't think he takes a back seat to anyone in the SEC and if he does, it's not by much. He has won the SEC and had elite/top 5 national finishes. I don't think you can ask more than that. I love that the Tigers have won a couple of NC's lately, but there is usually some luck invovled just in getting to the game.
I do think Richt went overboard in making the case for the Dawgs being in the NC game when his team had not won the SEC and had been beaten decisively by SECCG participant TN.
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