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Running up the score on South Carolina
Posted on 10/20/08 at 10:17 am
Posted on 10/20/08 at 10:17 am
I've been reading around here a bit and finally decided to sign up, and I notice that a lot of people are disappointed Les didn't run the score up at the end of the USC game. The suggestion that Miles didn't do the correct thing by killing the clock instead of going for a score is absurd.
But it has nothing to do with "class" as some are suggesting and 100% to do with winning. Miles killed the clock instead of going for more points because, out of all the decisions available to him at the time, it was the most likely to lead to victory. I know he is known for gambling - but he truly isn't a gambler - he just likes to make the call that will most likely to lead to victory. When you are losing to Florida by 20 points in the 4th - the kickoff most likely to lead to victory is an onside kick. When you are up by 7 against USC with under a minute left - killing the clock is the most likely path to victory. We pay the man to win - not to look good doing it.
Going for a TD or even a field goal when all you have to do to win is kill the clock - while risking that the play gets mucked up and the other team gets lucky - is just stupid. We call that "bad coaching".
Margin of victory is not figured in to the BCS computer polls, and if the pollsters truly cared about margin of victory, they would not have sent the LSU Tigers to the National Championship last year on account of our near losses to Florida, Auburn, Alabama, and Tennessee, and our meer 24 point margin over Tulane.
But it has nothing to do with "class" as some are suggesting and 100% to do with winning. Miles killed the clock instead of going for more points because, out of all the decisions available to him at the time, it was the most likely to lead to victory. I know he is known for gambling - but he truly isn't a gambler - he just likes to make the call that will most likely to lead to victory. When you are losing to Florida by 20 points in the 4th - the kickoff most likely to lead to victory is an onside kick. When you are up by 7 against USC with under a minute left - killing the clock is the most likely path to victory. We pay the man to win - not to look good doing it.
Going for a TD or even a field goal when all you have to do to win is kill the clock - while risking that the play gets mucked up and the other team gets lucky - is just stupid. We call that "bad coaching".
Margin of victory is not figured in to the BCS computer polls, and if the pollsters truly cared about margin of victory, they would not have sent the LSU Tigers to the National Championship last year on account of our near losses to Florida, Auburn, Alabama, and Tennessee, and our meer 24 point margin over Tulane.
This post was edited on 10/20/08 at 10:21 am
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Posted on 10/20/08 at 10:20 am to TheTodd
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But it has nothing to do with "class" as some are suggesting and 100% to do with winning
I agree. We were not taking ANY chances. And its not like we didnt take a shot running it in from the two. We could have taken a knee on that play just as easy.
Posted on 10/20/08 at 10:21 am to cenla tigah
I think he was running actual plays because they take a little more time off the clock w/o adding much more risk. Clearly, we needed to burn all the time we could as we still had 2 seconds to kill on 4th down.
This post was edited on 10/20/08 at 10:22 am
Posted on 10/20/08 at 10:24 am to TheTodd
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Margin of victory is not figured in to the BCS computer polls
Indirectly, yes it is. BCS is 2/3 based of the Harris and AP poll and those polls are based off of margin of victory. Yes, we are paying him to win, but we are also paying him to get us into big bowl games and be a NC contender every year. If that means putting up an extra TD on an opponent, then he needs to do it.
Posted on 10/20/08 at 10:28 am to hoboattacker
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Indirectly, yes it is. BCS is 2/3 based of the Harris and AP poll
Harris & Coaches poll, but otherwise you are right.
But, really at the end of the season do you really think the voters will remember the score of the game and make a basis on who is where becasue of the score?
Posted on 10/20/08 at 10:32 am to tigeraddict
I don't know about you guys, but scoring another td never popped into my head. I was just glad for the win... damn the score.
Posted on 10/20/08 at 10:38 am to tigeraddict
perhaps you forget florida lost to ole miss. everyone was all down on them. they had a mediocre performance against arkansas, and then blew us up. now everyones back on the floda train.
Lsu lost to florida, had a mediocre performance against SC. next two weeks we blow out our opponents and the media will be sucking our dick like its cherry coated.
Edit: Make that three weeks^
Lsu lost to florida, had a mediocre performance against SC. next two weeks we blow out our opponents and the media will be sucking our dick like its cherry coated.
Edit: Make that three weeks^
This post was edited on 10/20/08 at 10:40 am
Posted on 10/20/08 at 10:39 am to hoboattacker
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If that means putting up an extra TD on an opponent, then he needs to do it.
OK, but it doesn't mean that. Can you even point to a single team that failed to get into a bowl game because they didn't run the score up enough on their opponents?
Posted on 10/20/08 at 10:40 am to hoboattacker
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Indirectly, yes it is. BCS is 2/3 based of the Harris and AP poll
The AP poll has absolutely nothing to do with the BCS standings.
Posted on 10/20/08 at 10:40 am to CTexTiger
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I don't know about you guys, but scoring another td never popped into my head. I was just glad for the win... damn the score.
At the time I was thinking field goal - until I realized we could kill the clock, then I was just thinking kill the clock. I was surprised to read on TD that a lot of posters think it was a mistake.
Posted on 10/20/08 at 10:43 am to LSshoe
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Lsu lost to florida, had a mediocre performance against SC. next two weeks we blow out our opponents and the media will be sucking our dick like its cherry coated.
I can't believe that you seriously think that winning the next three games by any margin wouldn't be enough to get head from the media. Georgia is BCS #7 and Bammer is BCS #2 - do you honestly think that if we - the #13 team - beat both those teams by just one point, the media would be down on us? Yeah right!
Posted on 10/20/08 at 11:08 am to TheTodd
I was thinking that it would be nice to push in for the TD on one of those clock killing plays, but when it came down to the final down I just wanted him to hit a knee.
He made me a little nervous... taking a few seconds to down it. I think he was unsure of how many seconds had passed, and wanted to make sure that S.C. didn't get a down with the ball.
He made me a little nervous... taking a few seconds to down it. I think he was unsure of how many seconds had passed, and wanted to make sure that S.C. didn't get a down with the ball.
Posted on 10/20/08 at 11:16 am to Fewer Kilometers
...You've got to go for the touchdown, run up the score, Make Mike the Tiger stand right up and roar! 
with the computers rating us for BCS, I think we should try to win big.
I'm just thankful that we won.
with the computers rating us for BCS, I think we should try to win big.
I'm just thankful that we won.
Posted on 10/20/08 at 11:19 am to TheTodd
That this is even an issue speaks volumes about Chicken's little creation.
Posted on 10/20/08 at 12:19 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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He made me a little nervous... taking a few seconds to down it. I think he was unsure of how many seconds had passed, and wanted to make sure that S.C. didn't get a down with the ball.
I would have figured he would have sent the QB (was it hatch or lee on that last down?) running straight backwards as fast as possible, downing it 20-30 yards behind the line of scrimmage. Just seems awefully nerve wrecking to take the snap and basically sit in the pocket while you count 1 mississippi 2 mississippi and hope the time keeper isn't on home town time.
Posted on 10/20/08 at 12:21 pm to Mongonius
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with the computers rating us for BCS, I think we should try to win big.
Computer rankings do not take into account margin of victory. The "biggness" of a win is determined by your opponent, not by the score. The Florida game last year was a "big win" - despite the fact we only won by 3. The Kentucky game in 2006 was NOT a big win - despite the fact we won 49-0.
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