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re: Can’t congress pass a law making abortion legal nationwide?

Posted on 6/25/22 at 9:22 am to
Posted by Wednesday
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Posted on 6/25/22 at 9:22 am to
Why you so angry? I think elastic commerce clause is the Devil. We agree. If this were a basis for Congress to pass a law making abortion legal nationwide, Congress’s statute (in either direction- permitting or denying abortions) would be unconstitutional.

The holding in Dobbs was based almost entirely about history of individual states regulating abortions. It found that the issue should be decided by the individual states. The only federal substantive authority involved was an invented right with no basis in Federal Law- or history of it.

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Is it an economic activity? Are the instruments used in that economic activity part of interstate commerce?


I do not believe that an abortion procedure is economic activity between two states despite that the instruments to do it are sold in interstate commerce. Therefore, I don’t think Congress has authority to regulate abortions under the commerce clause.

I don’t believe states can ban, for example, abortion tourism. Maybe Congress could give $$ for abortion trips to Planned Parenthood, but I don’t know how they get around other prevailing Fed law preventing Gvt $$$ to be used to fund abortions (their idiocy about funding Planned Parenthood aside)

I guess Congress could permit or require the selling of abortion equipment to Louisiana, or Medicare laws could require hospitals to purchase- bc apparently ObamaCare is cool with the commerce clause and it can force ppl to buy things. I frankly don’t know enough about the mechanics of the procedure to know whether there are any instruments exclusive to performing abortions as opposed to other legit obstetric procedures. Regardless, Louisiana can criminalize the use of these instruments for abortions - so who cares?

I think abortion is an issue like Lopez and VAW Act in that these are all regulations regarding - public safety/welfare. They are not the SAME subject matter. But if the Fed Gvt can’t pass specific gun regulations or regulations regarding domestic violence, I’m not precisely sure how they can pass abortion laws.

I’m not saying that Congress won’t try to regulate abortions, or at least make noise about it - but I think that it exceeds their authority because it’s a public safety / health and welfare issue. And if they try to do it, they need to know Their audience - ie that Alito is in it.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/25/22 at 9:46 am to
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Why you so angry?

I'm literally not angry at all.

Don't try to conflate me deconstructing your bad legal argument into some sort of emotional response.

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It found that the issue should be decided by the individual states.

No. It found that the issue should be decided by legislatures and not courts. Practically, today abortion will be decided by the states but that only exists because Congress hasn't enacted a law (yet). This thread presupposes Congress does so.

Quote me which part of the ruling specifically precludes Congress from enacting a law.

I can 100% show you where a concurrence specifically authorizes Congress to act.

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I think abortion is an issue like Lopez and VAW Act in that these are all regulations regarding - public safety/welfare.

How is paying for a service not economic activity? Or the purchase of the equipment via interstate commerce? Or the salaries paid to staff?

None of those economic behaviors exist with Lopez or VAW.

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I’m not precisely sure how they can pass abortion laws.

Abortion is clearly an economic act that affects interstate commerce, on various levels.

Congress regulates all sorts of services performed via ICC. Why would abortion be different?

You can even get into Dormant Commerce Clause interpretations that could attack states for various regulations on abortions.
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