Why? Spinoffs usually don't do nearly what the originals do, unless they're Minions. This spin off took one character, a toy, and took him away from the familiar setting of the series, and made him a regular person. It looks like a generic animated movie? The concept of an origin story for a toy is going to go above most kids' heads. Adults didn't grow up with a human version of Buzz, and having Tim Allen there wouldn't have made that more palatable.

That said, quality and profit don't have a direct relationship. People didn't go see this movie because marketing made it unclear who this was for, and didn't make it clear how this Buzz is connected to the toy. People didn't rush out to see something that looked vaguely familiar but generic.

If this holds 50% or more of its audience in weekend 2, we'll have a better idea of whether or not people like it. And animated movies tend to hold on in theaters for a while. I don't think it will hold that audience, though.

I don't mean to play the results here. I thought Disney's own tracking of around $70 million for the weekend made sense. $51 million and second place is pretty surprising. But I absolutely do not understand your premise that this should have been as massive a hit as any other Toy Story or Disney property like Frozen.

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Posted by Adam Banks

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Posted on 6/19/22 at 9:32 pm to Jay Are

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People didn't go see this movie because marketing made it unclear who this was for,

It’s a computer animated film entitled Lightyear. One of the most famous animated characters of all time.

It’s pretty damn clear that it’s intended for families. Particularly ones that have small boys. Until they start shoving their agenda in there.

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But I absolutely do not understand your premise that this should have been as massive a hit as any other Toy Story or Disney property like Frozen.

It’s Pixar’s first theatrical release since before the pandemic. The studio that could previously do no wrong has been relegated to second tier streaming which have frankly been mediocre to sucked.

This was them getting back in the game with an offshoot of their biggest IP and frankly one of the most well known characters to parents of child bearing age and their kids.

Couple that with Father’s Day weekend on what should have been the ideal father son movie?

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Spinoffs usually don't do nearly what the originals do

The irony here is it lost to a spin-off trilogy about dinosaurs where the original spinoff is one of the highest grossing films

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Posted by OMLandshark

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Posted on 6/19/22 at 11:47 pm to Jay Are

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Why? Spinoffs usually don't do nearly what the originals do, unless they're Minions.

Who do you think are more popular overall: the Minions or Buzz Lightyear? The Minions are annoying to anyone over the age of 10. Buzz Lightyear is an exceptionally enduring character that ages like fine wine for adults. Parents should be like with their kids “Oh thank God, a Buzz Lightyear movie, not those exceptionally annoying shite heads that scream all the time.” Parents should be dragging their kids to see this just as a relief and nostalgia. The fact that this could bomb means they fricked up royally.

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This spin off took one character

Probably the most beloved animated character created in my lifetime.

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a toy, and took him away from the familiar setting of the series, and made him a regular person.

Or don’t turn him into a regular person. Just make him Buzz Lightyear. Don’t make him the everyman. That’s why people like Buzz Lightyear. It’s so simple. Just put Star Wars and Buck Rogers into a blender and you’re good.

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It looks like a generic animated movie? The concept of an origin story for a toy is going to go above most kids' heads. Adults didn't grow up with a human version of Buzz, and having Tim Allen there wouldn't have made that more palatable.

Is Buzz Lightyear over most kids heads? It seems to me they’ve done multiple animated series on him and kids grasped it.

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That said, quality and profit don't have a direct relationship. People didn't go see this movie because marketing made it unclear who this was for, and didn't make it clear how this Buzz is connected to the toy. People didn't rush out to see something that looked vaguely familiar but generic.

If this holds 50% or more of its audience in weekend 2, we'll have a better idea of whether or not people like it. And animated movies tend to hold on in theaters for a while. I don't think it will hold that audience, though.

I don't mean to play the results here. I thought Disney's own tracking of around $70 million for the weekend made sense. $51 million and second place is pretty surprising. But I absolutely do not understand your premise that this should have been as massive a hit as any other Toy Story or Disney property like Frozen.

Oh frick off. We all know why this film is bombing:

1) It’s Woke and is chastising it’s audience that they’re pieces of shite if they don’t take their kids to it.

2) Blackballing Tim Allen for his politics.

This thread made me want to go back and watch the original Toy Story. I’m sorry, Tim Allen is so fricking good as Buzz Lightyear it’s such an insult to the character he’s not portraying him here. I tried to imagine Chris Evans in that role of the original, and my interpretation of it almost ruins Toy Story if he were the one to voice Buzz. Tim Allen’s performance (as does Tom Hanks with Woody) completely carry that film.

Please don’t insult my intelligence saying this was an inevitability with this movie. Just go full Buzz, do a Deadpool like marketing campaign with Tim Allen constantly with the marketing boys doing fun and crazy stuff, and this movie done right kills it at the box office. You can’t convince me that a largely silent movie about a robot love story (as much as I love that movie) should gross higher than a Buzz Lightyear film.

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