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Roth IRA

Posted on 10/18/08 at 4:10 pm
Posted by tigeralum06
Member since Oct 2007
2890 posts
Posted on 10/18/08 at 4:10 pm
What types of rules are there in what you can invest your ROTH in?

Two ideas-

1) Your ROTH buys stock in a company you own and receives dividends. (eliminates double taxation)

2) Your ROTH holds your mortgage- you deduct the interest but don't have to pick up the income

They seem to good to be true. Anyone have a clue?
Posted by Zilla
Member since Jul 2005
10644 posts
Posted on 10/18/08 at 10:54 pm to
i think you can do both brah
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 10/19/08 at 10:42 am to
Idea #2 - You can invest in real estate in a self-directed IRA (Roth or otherwise). But if it is your primary residence you lose the tax break, that's explicitly noted in the laws regulating these accounts. I don't know about #1, but surely there's a "gotcha" there too.

If it were that simple then the idea would be all over the personal finance magazines and the IRS would get it closed off some way or another in short order.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 10/19/08 at 11:29 am to
Did a little more research on this, depending on the details you might face much worse than just losing a tax break. For certain "prohibited transactions" the *entire* IRA is immediately regarded as a regular account. It is just as if you had withdrawn all your money, put it in a regular account and *then* made the transaction.

That means if you're under 59 1/2 you pay early withdrawal fees. Everything becomes taxable, even the portion you had invested in something completely legit. Very bad stuff.

Generally speaking, an investment where you are personally involved with how the investment gets earnings is prohibited no matter how carefully you arrange things. If you buy someone else's property in your IRA, hire a contractor to fix it up, and then resell it using a realtor, that may be okay. But if you hang one door or sell it yourself, your entire IRA is nuked from that point forward. You (likely) owe early withdrawal fees on the full amount, everything is now taxable, etc.

Better to buy a REIT.
Posted by tigeralum06
Member since Oct 2007
2890 posts
Posted on 10/19/08 at 9:48 pm to
thanks for the info
Posted by ProfNEO99
Member since Aug 2008
27 posts
Posted on 10/19/08 at 10:06 pm to
quote:

1) Your ROTH buys stock in a company you own and receives dividends. (eliminates double taxation)


Why not just file an S-election to elminate the double taxation? How big is your company?
Posted by tigeralum06
Member since Oct 2007
2890 posts
Posted on 10/19/08 at 11:06 pm to
well in theory you would set up a mortgage finance company that makes just under fifty thousand in each fiscal year and pays taxes at the 15% rate. That company would pay dividends to the roth. Then you would finance your home/investments with the company therefore deducting interest as an expense but not as income when you retire.

It is way complicated stuff, way past entity selection. It seemed to good to be true though and from the other poster it most likely is something a taxpayer would not get away with in the long-term.
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