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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/13/24 at 10:30 am to RuLSU
Posted on 5/13/24 at 10:30 am to RuLSU
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I don't get it. According to many in this thread, things are going amazingly well for Russia right now, so why would they fire their minister of defense? That makes no sense to me. Why replace someone who has overseen such tremendous success?
I think most realists can see that this hasn't gone well for Russia. I think most realists can also see that Russia would have steamrolled them by now without foreign aid.
I would like to see an argument that things are going well for Ukraine though. You know, two things can be true: Ukraine is starting to show cracks, and Russia has shown to be inept in conflicts where they don't have an overwhelming advantage.
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certain to destroy NATO
Obvious sarcasm there, but its funny since a lot of the most hardcore Ukraine supporters in this thread are certain Putin will march against a NATO country next if he conquers Ukraine.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 10:39 am to VolSquatch
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think most realists can see that this hasn't gone well for Russia. I think most realists can also see that Russia would have steamrolled them by now without foreign aid.
Don't forget that Russia's vaulted 1st Guard got annihilated outside of Kyiv.
Also worth noting: Russia didn't exactly light the world on fire from 2014 - 2022, prior to their full-scale invasion.
Ultimately, this is a wasted argument, though: Ukraine did receive outside assistance, and thus Russia was stymied.
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I would like to see an argument that things are going well for Ukraine though. You know, two things can be true: Ukraine is starting to show cracks, and Russia has shown to be inept in conflicts where they don't have an overwhelming advantage.
Thoughtful and nuanced responses? In this thread?
It's a full-blown war, nobody will "do well" with it. It's clear the counter-offensive was a mistake, and Ukraine would have been best suited to stay on defense and maintain a huge K:D ratio in defensive actions.
IMO, Ukraine "wins" by surviving and joining the EU. They're still on pace for both, so I'd say they're headed in the right direction.
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