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Well, that’s a more complex matter. The history of Russian persecution of Ukrainians is long and quite terrible, ranging from mass deportations, cultural oppression, and even genocide. During the 1930s, as many as 5 million Ukrainians died, primarily via starvation, in a Soviet caused manmade famine commonly called the Holodomor.

Russian treatment of Ukrainians was so bad that when the Germans invaded in 1941, many Ukrainians viewed them as liberators form Soviet Russian oppression. During WWII, upwards of a quarter of a million Ukrainians fought along side the Germans, serving primarily in Waffen SS formations due to citizenship restrictions on service in the Wehrmacht. That’s why even to this day, the view of Nazis in Ukraine is far more complex than in the West. From their perspective, the Nazis were not as bad as the Russians.

Sure, but those are examples from 80-90 years ago from a government that collapsed. Thats why I specified since the collapse of the USSR

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Posted by Darth_Vader

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Posted on 4/29/24 at 11:52 am to VolSquatch

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Sure, but those are examples from 80-90 years ago from a government that collapsed. Thats why I specified since the collapse of the USSR

Yes, but Russian oppression of Ukrainians predates the Soviet Union by centuries. But we’re arguing a matter that is only tangentially relevant to us in the West. From a realpolitik standpoint, Russia could completely swallow Ukraine and it would not affect us in the US. Europe though would most definitely want to finally start taking matters of their own national security as seriously as Poland is doing now.

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