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With our modern military and the way WE would fight a war ourselves, are shells really something that should matter much to us? I wouldn’t think we would use many.

I think our gamble on fewer more mobile units with precision fires was wrong

GPS guided munitions are great, but you still need mass.

We should also think about what happens if your enemy can jam your PGMs. We haven’t done that.

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Posted by cypher

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Posted on 12/20/23 at 7:44 am to Lima Whiskey

British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
20 December 2023

In recent weeks, Ukraine has mobilised a concerted effort to improve field fortifications as its forces pivot to a more defensive posture along much of the front line.

This follows Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's calls, from late November 2023, for faster fortification in key sectors. In one part of the project, Ukraine has worked to improve defences along its border with Belarus with dragon's teeth, razor wire, and anti-tank ditches as of mid-December 2023.

Russia continues local offensive options in several sectors, but individual attacks are rarely above platoon size. A major Russian breakthrough is unlikely and overall, the front is characterised by
stasis.

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Posted by tigeraddict

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Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:02 am to Lima Whiskey

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I think our gamble on fewer more mobile units with precision fires was wrong GPS guided munitions are great, but you still need mass.

Yes and no to this statement.

Yes, I agree we need to up are production capacity on shells. We do not need to be in a major conflict where we are having to conserve shells

No, mass battlefield coverage is not needed. There was a video I watched the other day of two salvos from Russian MLRS attacking the battlefield as viewed from a Ukrainian spotter drone.

The dispersion/accuracy was all over the place. If you had a mass charge across a field, then maybe this works. But one guided shell would have done more.

My issue with shells is the effect of cluster munitions on both side shows their effect. Congress has never ratified the anti cluster munition treaty, it was an Obama EO. Next president needs to end that EO.