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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 2/11/23 at 12:15 am to
Posted by LSUPilot07
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 12:15 am to
It’s one thing to give Ukraine artillery, tanks and weapons from all sorts of countries but it just can’t work like that with aircraft. The training that both the pilot and the maintenance crews go through to learn their aircraft inside and out. If you had 3 fighters you’d have to have guy getting trained in the U.S., France and either the UK or Sweden. That’s just a bridge too far. The F-16 is the only true option. They can come from European stocks like the Dutch or from ours that our transitioning to F-35s. Like you said the real solution is to acquire all the Mig-29s and Su-27s that you can source. The Slovakian Mig-29s still haven’t been sent I believe I read somewhere and that’s a squadron worth of aircraft and the Slovak Migs have been upgraded with all glass cockpits and a new radar. Poland has 23 Mig-29s still. That could be solved just by going to the boneyard and pulling out a few f-16s for Poland or giving them aircraft from units that are transitioning to new aircraft. They don’t have time to learn on western systems anymore. They will have to win or lose this war flying the aircraft they already know back and forth.
This post was edited on 2/11/23 at 12:19 am
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 8:04 am to
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Like you said the real solution is to acquire all the Mig-29s and Su-27s that you can source. The Slovakian Mig-29s still haven’t been sent I believe I read somewhere and that’s a squadron worth of aircraft and the Slovak Migs have been upgraded with all glass cockpits and a new radar. Poland has 23 Mig-29s still. That could be solved just by going to the boneyard and pulling out a few f-16s for Poland or giving them aircraft from units that are transitioning to new aircraft. They don’t have time to learn on western systems anymore. They will have to win or lose this war flying the aircraft they already know back and forth.


I mostly agree, but we also don't know how for sure how long the war will last. If we had started training Ukrainian pilots at the beginning of the invasion a year ago, Ukraine would have experienced F-16 pilots by now. Late is still better than never.

I also wonder if Slovakia will ultimately give their MiG-29s without the political cover of other NATO members providing jets. That's why I think that Poland and Slovakia give their MiGs in conjunction with a general NATO decision to give Ukraine jets, which should be F-16s.

I also wonder if there are ways to source some MiG-29s and SU-27s from outside NATO. For example, Azerbaijan has a dozen or so MiG-29s, and they are pretty much a true enemy of Russia at this point -- perhaps the Azeris might like some American jets?

And I still wonder whether MiG-29s could somehow be rigged to fire Storm Shadow missiles in the same way they were jerry-rigged to fire HARM.
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