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I'm pretty sure that Taiwan set up its own industry due to a close relationship with Philips and the Dutch Government in the 1980s. It's hard to believe that we can research and design so many important inventions and wouldn't be able to produce high-quality chips. The US has a distinct advantage over other nations in materials engineering from what I've read, though that may be outdated information.

I have a rudimentary understanding of it, but from what I’ve been told is China has a problem with launching subs due to their coastline and ocean floor being very shallow. You can see it pretty clearly on this map and notice a major drop off on Taiwan’s east coast:

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No the link says they represent the busiest trade routes. Also I looked at your link, and found the link that it was based on here but I haven't found a direct citation in that document for that specific claim. The 2021 version of this report makes no mention of the South China Sea. LINK

I can believe that it represents a large amount of trade though, but would just like to know how we are measuring such a thing.

Dude, this is a basic fact that is well known to anyone in logistics. The South China Sea is by far the busiest trade route in the world. The English Channel doesn’t even come fricking close to it. This image alone disproves that:

What’s in the dead center of that circle? Oh right the South China Sea. I’m sorry, this is not arguable. This very, very well known.

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What's the difference between a deep water harbor necessary for shipping and one needed for a submarine base? I think China has plenty of deep water ports, but the presence of the American base on Okinawa seems to be more of a problem than it is access to deep water ports. Then desire for unimpeded access to the Pacific proper makes sense, as control of entry points at both the southern and northern ends by rivals is a more legitimate reason for wanting access than the idea they have a lack of to deep water ports.

It’s possible, but from that map above, China clearly has much more shallow seas than most other places.

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Posted by crazy4lsu

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Posted on 7/1/22 at 10:16 pm to OMLandshark

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I have a rudimentary understanding of it, but from what I’ve been told is China has a problem with launching subs due to their coastline and ocean floor being very shallow. You can see it pretty clearly on this map and notice a major drop off on Taiwan’s east coast:

It might be shallow, but one of the major submarine bases for the US is in the Puget Sound, which has an average depth of 450 ft. Even though the East China Sea is shallow, it's average depth is 660 ft. I'm just skeptical this is a prevailing reason.

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Dude, this is a basic fact that is well known to anyone in logistics. The South China Sea is by far the busiest trade route in the world. The English Channel doesn’t even come fricking close to it. This image alone disproves that:

Yeah all I asked for was a more specific source. I would have posted this though.