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If NIL was forced by the courts, could Smith suspension not be litigated?

Posted on 8/24/23 at 5:52 pm
Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
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Posted on 8/24/23 at 5:52 pm
I’d imagine the case would be pretty strong that the ncaa can’t punish athletes for NIL activities that took place after the pertinent SCOTUS ruling(s).

But you wouldn’t even have to take the case all the way to court - just request a temporary injunction so he can play while it’s pending, then request dismissal Monday the 4th and hold him out for Grambling
Posted by Willietd
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 8/24/23 at 5:58 pm to
I honestly can't understand how the NCAA can force him to miss the 1st game. Anytime anyone has been suspended, the coaches have always been able to select what game to sit the player. Doesn't seem to be a precedent for them to make LSU sit him for that game. Just that he's supposed to sit one game.
Posted by SUB
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Posted on 8/24/23 at 6:05 pm to
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Doesn't seem to be a precedent for them to make LSU sit him for that game. Just that he's supposed to sit one game.


As others have said, Smith may have a lingering ankle injury and wouldn’t be 100% for the game anyway, so we don’t know if it was LSU’s choice or not to sit him for
Florida.
Posted by SouthernInsanity
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Posted on 8/24/23 at 6:20 pm to
If it was a last year issue and he couldn't be suspended, because he was.ouy all year.... maybe it carrie to the next year's first game of the season w/o any LSU say so.

But just chauk it up as a life lesson.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 8/24/23 at 6:28 pm to
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ncaa can’t punish athletes for NIL activities that took place after the pertinent SCOTUS ruling(s).

The autograph signing was before NIL went into effect. Or are you saying that they can’t punish people at all now that they changed the rule?
This post was edited on 8/24/23 at 6:30 pm
Posted by Curtis Lowe
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 8/24/23 at 6:34 pm to
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I’d imagine the case would be pretty strong that the ncaa can’t punish athletes for NIL activities that took place after the pertinent SCOTUS ruling(s).


So, do you really think that LSU, the Athletic Dept. and LSU's lawyers have not had discussion on this issue of the NCAA mandated suspension of Smith. You had better believe that if there was a legal leg to stand on the issue would have already been put in front of a judge.

Now to address the blatant and wide-spread misunderstanding of the ruling in Alston (pay attention to the lines that are in bold):

The following is directly quoted from the Harvard Law Review analysis of the case NCAA v Alston in the very first paragraph:

"in NCAA v. Alston,
5. 141 S. Ct. 2141 (2021).
the Supreme Court upheld a district court ruling that the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) rules limiting education-related compensation violated section 1 of the Sherman Act.
6. See id. at 2151–52, 2166.
Shortly after the Court’s decision, the NCAA voted of its own accord to allow a student athlete to receive compensation in exchange for use of their name, image, and likeness (NIL).
7. The Alston holding did not compel the NCAA’s NIL decision because the ruling left the NCAA’s rules limiting compensation unrelated to education undisturbed. See id. at 2165.

Even after this series of changes, the NCAA still restricts the compensation that schools can provide directly to their athletes unrelated to education."

Alston case had nothing to do with NIL, the ruling in Alston was pertaining to the NCAA limiting education related compensation. Now, the NCAA saw the writing on the wall and passed their own NIL rules with an effective date. Any violation of the rules prior to the effective date of the New (at the time) NIL rules would still be a violation of the rules that were in effect at the time of said violation.

As a courtesy, below is a link to the Harvard Law Review of the Alston Decision for your reading pleasure.

HLR Alston Analysis
This post was edited on 8/24/23 at 6:36 pm
Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 8/24/23 at 6:40 pm to
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Curtis Lowe


That’s a really clear breakdown, thank you.

In the end I guess it just comes down to the ncaa being petty - there’s literally no justification for pursing punishment under rules that no longer exist.
Posted by Coater
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Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 8/24/23 at 6:41 pm to
Like baseball there should be an appeal process where players can continue to play while this is pending
Posted by Curtis Lowe
Member since Dec 2019
1503 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 6:45 pm to
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In the end I guess it just comes down to the ncaa being petty - there’s literally no justification for pursing punishment under rules that no longer exist.


bullshite, he broke the rules and got caught (turned in is more appropriate) and is being punished according to rules that were in place when the infraction occurred.
Posted by azcatiger
somewhere
Member since Mar 2011
5064 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 6:49 pm to
I would argue he missed a whole season last year and that should count.
He signed autographs for money over 2 years ago and two weeks later the NCAA said it was legal. They wait 2 years to suspend him when he had to sit out all last year. fricking criminal and they should fight it.
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
13244 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 6:53 pm to
If the Court ruled it unconstitutional to prevent citizens from profiting from their talents, how can the NCAA punish them from marketing themselves.
Posted by Tigers4Lyfe
Member since Nov 2010
5534 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 6:53 pm to
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So, do you really think that LSU, the Athletic Dept. and LSU's lawyers have not had discussion on this issue of the NCAA mandated suspension of Smith. You had better believe that if there was a legal leg to stand on the issue would have already been put in front of a judge.
This! Some people just don't think, or, think they know better.
Posted by Curtis Lowe
Member since Dec 2019
1503 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 7:02 pm to
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I would argue he missed a whole season last year and that should count.
Why? Make your case.

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He signed autographs for money over 2 years ago and two weeks later the NCAA said it was legal. They wait 2 years to suspend him when he had to sit out all last year. fricking criminal and they should fight it.


And lose.

When was the NCAA informed of this violation of the rules? Some time during the 2022 season. NCAA investigates and issues a ruling of one game suspension for the two players. Boutte is suspended for a game immediately. But, by this point in time Smith is out for the year after having ACL surgery. Suspension is still outstanding until he can play and sit his NCAA mandated suspension.
Posted by Curtis Lowe
Member since Dec 2019
1503 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 7:04 pm to
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If the Court ruled it unconstitutional to prevent citizens from profiting from their talents, how can the NCAA punish them from marketing themselves.



if if if if if if if if if if if if. They didn't and your point is moot. Go back and read the link I posted and maybe you will stop making stupid posts on this topic.
Posted by azcatiger
somewhere
Member since Mar 2011
5064 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 7:14 pm to
Take it easy Mr Dershowitz. I’m not trying the case. I’m just trying to put some common sense context to it.
Posted by caliegeaux
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Member since Aug 2004
11499 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 7:14 pm to
Not sure of the legal process for this, but 2 of the analysts on college football today said this is outright laughable what the ncaa did. Glad to hear them say it. At least in the court of public opinion this is a stupid suspension. Appeal it if at all possible.
Posted by Curtis Lowe
Member since Dec 2019
1503 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 7:16 pm to
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just trying to put some common sense context to it.


:rotflmao: Now that is laughable.
Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
15562 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 7:23 pm to
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being punished according to rules that were in place when the infraction occurred.


That’s the bullshite part, and like I said just plain petty.
Posted by azcatiger
somewhere
Member since Mar 2011
5064 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 7:25 pm to
Yep. I’m funny that way.
Posted by Curtis Lowe
Member since Dec 2019
1503 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 7:48 pm to
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That’s the bull shite part, and like I said just plain petty.


I agree the suspension sucks, it would be good to have Smith playing in the FSU game. However, it is what it is, rule violation, caught, suspension. As another poster so eloquently stated: Life lesson learned and you move on.

So the rules that the presidents of the member institutions vote on and agree to abide by are bullshite because you do not like the outcome?

LSU provides its student-athletes with extensive educational seminars on the NCAA rules and what behavior is acceptable and not acceptable under the rules.

What's petty is the emotional temper tantrums on display on this forum.

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