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LSU Starting pitchers

Posted on 1/18/22 at 1:41 am
Posted by N2daWild
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 1:41 am
We have done a few starting lineup threads and seem to have that down pretty good, unless players like Bianco or Beloso throw a monkey wrench in to our plans. So I wanted to discuss pitching for awhile. I don't think the staff has decided what they are going to do, so this is still open.

What every team would love to have is two, first round talent, starters that can eat up 6 innnings on Friday and Saturday but we don't have that. That doesn't mean we can't be effective. We have a lot of good pitchers and coaching decisions are going to be very important. Who do we pitch and how long do we leave them in? They won't get every decision correct, so hopefully the Rant has a little patience (yes I know better).

I like Floyd as our Friday guy. I did notice him get a little rattled last year when things started going South. That is something he will have to mature past if he wants to be a starter in the SEC. Coach Kelly and Hilliard both mentioned him as someone to watch.

I see Fontenot as our Saturday guy. D1Baseball said we will be in trouble if Fontenot is starting for us once SEC starts. Coach Kelly seemed perplexed at first about the move from closer to starter. Not ringing endorsements, but he could be the most competetive pitcher we have on the team and he has experience. I would love to see this guy succeed just on heart and will power.

Hilliard is my Sunday guy until proven wrong. Hilliard is not a big guy and doesn't throw heat but the guy gets it done. I love that he came back for another year and I think he has something to prove. I would love to see him succeed as well.

Coleman might be the best strike thrower on the team and he is one of my favorites but he needs to work on consistency and prove he can go more than 2 innings to move into a starting role. Ideally he will take one of these starting roles but I haven't seen it yet.

Reyzelman has the biggest arm on the team. He began the fall as a starter but was moved more to the back end as the fall went on. Johnson mentioned he wanted a guy that can come in the 7th inning and shut things down. Right now, I think Reyzelman is the front runner for that job.

Cooper is someone that gets a lot of mentions in this role but I'm not sure I buy it. He is a lefty, composed and can go multiple innings, his stuff is consistent but not scary. I personally think we need a little more of threat out there starting.

Helmers got a mention by Coach Kelly as a possibility. I think that would be similar to Cooper, consistent and effective but not scary.

Edwards, Lansville and shaffer are worth a mention. This may seem a little out of the box but if Hasty could find consistency, he has good stuff.
Posted by Mulkey Man
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 3:01 am to
Guessing Hellmers is a mid-week starter.
Posted by Lowes knowsLSU
Texas
Member since May 2021
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 3:58 am to
Lsu baseball has a coach Kelly ? Damn did not know that who is the pitching coach ? Any good and the batting coach.
Posted by N2daWild
Member since Jul 2019
8504 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 5:02 am to
Coach Kelly is the pitching coach. Johnson knows him from playing against him. I think he is a big improvement over Dunn. I believe he is already helping the pitchers with development. He is genuine and a good recruiter. We will see about in-game coaching decisions, but Johnson should know.

Wanaka is the hitting coach. He has followed Johnson around for a while. Arizona sure could hit last year, how much is Wanaka and how much is Johnson is hard to tell but the results seem positive.
Posted by josh336
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 5:47 am to
Agree with Hilliard and Fontenot being out there starting on weekends. Everytime ive heard Kelly and Coach J interviewed and asked about the staff, they mention cobbling innings together in an unorthodox way. Multiple pitchers being used. Johnson said if it takes us 5-7 pitchers to get 9 innings, thats what he’ll do. Also wouldnt surprise me to see someone like Fontenot or Reyzelman come in the 7th inning of any tight game. Or even someone like coleman or shaffer.

Also wouldnt be surprised to see the rotation be one way one weekend and then be switched up the next weekend based on matchup. May start lefties against lefty heavy lineups, and then not start them the next if we face a righty dominated lineup
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 5:49 am
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 6:17 am to
Going to see a lot of movement on staff at least early in season
The roles generally define themselves
My biggest concern is that fri night role
It’s so much easier on the weekend when you have that one guy that can lockdown fri night and get you off to a good start
I’m not sure who that is
Posted by N2daWild
Member since Jul 2019
8504 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 6:26 am to
I think both of you guys are correct. Johnson said he will pitch whoever he needs to get the win on Friday night. He will worry about the rest of the weekend when he gets there.
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 6:33 am to
If they see a guy capable of being that guy, im sure theyll go with him. As it is now, i think we are just going to be at a disadvantage on the mound on friday nights
Posted by DRock88
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 6:48 am to
Fri - Fontenot
Sat - Cooper
Sun - Hilliard

This is how I see it for opening weekend against Maine, but we'll prob see most of the arms.

Moving forward, it just doesn't sound like anyone will have defined roles for awhile. If we go a week without Reyz getting back end work, you may see him start the next Friday. If Fontenot starts on Friday, throws 30 pitches, then we get a big lead and he's pulled...then we need a back end guy on a Sunday, here comes Fontenot again, then is role changes for the following weekend.
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
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80177 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 6:51 am to
Yeah, i could see a louis coleman / jared bradford type role for him, with less pitches per weekend
Posted by DRock88
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 7:02 am to
He and/or Reyz would fit that role great. They have the mentality, for sure. It will just come down to monitoring their health.

I will say this about the pitching: it has a lot more potential than what most give credit for. We have ALOT of good arms. Every body running out there can shut your lights out.
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 7:03 am to
Im cautiously optimistic. I think it can be good, but i also just think we will get outmatched by some 1st rounders in the SEC.

Hopefully we can hit some of that elite pitching better than we did the last couple years with PM
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 7:04 am
Posted by Adam4848
LA
Member since Apr 2006
19417 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 7:18 am to
There are a bunch of teams in the west division on LSU's schedule overhauling a majority of the lineup (Auburn, Texas A&M, Miss St, Alabama)...just something to keep an eye on.

There's going to be a large gap in conference standings this year as there was last year in my opinion.
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 7:20 am
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 7:21 am to
quote:

Yeah, i could see a louis coleman / jared bradford type role for him, with less pitches per weekend


I don’t believe you will see this anymore in today’s college baseball.

Maybe when you get into tournament play you will see it but going into every weekend with that mindset like it was when those guys were here just isn’t going to happen.
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
80177 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 7:22 am to
You mustve missed the part where i said with less pitches
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 7:24 am to
quote:

Johnson said he will pitch whoever he needs to get the win on Friday night. He will worry about the rest of the weekend when he gets there.


This team will be able to hit there way through most Saturday and Sunday games so I like this mindset.

I don’t think you will have a set rotation until maybe the end of the season and someone emerges. It will be based on matchups for majority of the year.
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 8:13 am to
quote:

You mustve missed the part where i said with less pitches


Maybe I wasn’t clear enough. You’re never going to see a guy start and close a game on a regular basis like those guys did. Maybe in the postseason it will happen but not regular season.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 8:21 am to
I think we're going to see a lot of semi-starters. Piggy-backed type guys.

Hilliard is the only proven 2+ times through the order guy we have. It may make the most sense to leave him on Sunday as an innings eater guy.

Cooper is looking like a potential 2X through guy with 4 pitches and a propensity for ground balls.

Fontenot can go at least one time through but probably two when he's on.

Lansville is a guy that is a future workhorse, but I wonder how hard they will push him this season. I almost wouldn't mind him getting mid week starts early to see how far into games he can get to prep him for the weekends later in the season.

Hellmers, Edwards, Coleman are all multi inning guys. Reyzelman and Collins are likely multi inning guys.

Grant Fontenot, Grant Taylor are probably single inning guys. Hasty probably single inning or match up. Bollman probably single inning but has history as a starter so maybe he could stretch out.

ETA: We also have additional coaching help for the pitchers. The undergrad assistant is Drew Finley, a former minor leaguer from San Diego. He's helping Kelly with the pitchers.
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 8:23 am
Posted by Adam4848
LA
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 8:39 am to
And then you have Gervase who's likely a closer type
Posted by DRock88
Member since Aug 2015
10014 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 8:40 am to
I'd like to see Lansville get starts during the week, too.
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