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WVU Fans: Something to keep in mind.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 12:35 am
Posted on 10/26/11 at 12:35 am
First of all, I completely understand leaving the Big East. The basketball vs. football schools causes a lot of problems and with the Big East not having a lot of good expansion options for Pitt and Syracuse TV contract look bleak.
Big 12 is good for WVU in the following ways:
1. It gets them out of the Big East. This is the biggest plus.
2. Gets them in a BCS conference that will exist for a minimum of six years.
3. Gets them in a Tier 1 and 2 equal revenue sharing scheme.
Bad for WVU in the following ways:
1. No Championship Game. I know WVU is used to this, but the Big 12 being a BCS AQ conference with no championship game in a world of championship games is going to hurt the conference. But, as long as Texas doesn't want it, it won't exist.
2. The Big 12 Network, it will never exist. If it does, it will be worth very little. Texas will take 3 games away from the Tier 3 (and perhaps at least 1 of those being from tier 2) inventory, as well as their baseball/basketball/other sports that are not aired on ESPN or Fox Sports. OU is in the process of doing the same thing. Those are the two biggest remaining programs not being a part of this "Big 12 Network." With the Big 10, PAC-12, and SEC all going into conference networks or already have them (I assume ACC will soon follow) this will again put the Big 12 behind.
3. Texas will still rule everything. Texas is the political muscle holder of the conference, if they want it, it will happen, if they don't, it won't.
4. If the SEC does decide to expand again in the next six years, WVU will not even be on the list because of the grant of rights you will have to agree to.
Just remember, there is a reason that the Big 12 is losing all the members that have the option to go anywhere.
And, remember that Texas had suddenly decided for most of the Big 12 South that we were going to the PAC-10 last summer. They made this decision unilaterally. Texas will believe that they own you because you play in their conference. Just remember that it's not a good position to be in, and there is no trust there.
However, if it was the best option that WVU had left, so I understand the move. I just recommend being careful for what you wish for.
Big 12 is good for WVU in the following ways:
1. It gets them out of the Big East. This is the biggest plus.
2. Gets them in a BCS conference that will exist for a minimum of six years.
3. Gets them in a Tier 1 and 2 equal revenue sharing scheme.
Bad for WVU in the following ways:
1. No Championship Game. I know WVU is used to this, but the Big 12 being a BCS AQ conference with no championship game in a world of championship games is going to hurt the conference. But, as long as Texas doesn't want it, it won't exist.
2. The Big 12 Network, it will never exist. If it does, it will be worth very little. Texas will take 3 games away from the Tier 3 (and perhaps at least 1 of those being from tier 2) inventory, as well as their baseball/basketball/other sports that are not aired on ESPN or Fox Sports. OU is in the process of doing the same thing. Those are the two biggest remaining programs not being a part of this "Big 12 Network." With the Big 10, PAC-12, and SEC all going into conference networks or already have them (I assume ACC will soon follow) this will again put the Big 12 behind.
3. Texas will still rule everything. Texas is the political muscle holder of the conference, if they want it, it will happen, if they don't, it won't.
4. If the SEC does decide to expand again in the next six years, WVU will not even be on the list because of the grant of rights you will have to agree to.
Just remember, there is a reason that the Big 12 is losing all the members that have the option to go anywhere.
And, remember that Texas had suddenly decided for most of the Big 12 South that we were going to the PAC-10 last summer. They made this decision unilaterally. Texas will believe that they own you because you play in their conference. Just remember that it's not a good position to be in, and there is no trust there.
However, if it was the best option that WVU had left, so I understand the move. I just recommend being careful for what you wish for.
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Posted on 10/26/11 at 8:45 am to NonregAg09
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Texas had suddenly decided for most of the Big 12 South that we were going to the PAC-10 last summer. They made this decision unilaterally. Texas will believe that they own you because you play in their conference.
WVU fans: Welcome to the Big whatever the hell we'll be conference.
NonregAg09: There's that saying that it is "better to be thought of as a fool than to post on a message board and remove all doubt".
What an ignorant, bull shite post.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 8:52 am to ATX Horn
sip: You're saying that Texas did not approach the PAC-10 first, built the proposal with them for a Big 12 South Migration to the PAC-10, and then the other University President's were contacted by Larry Scott?
I would appreciate it if (I assume) the University you graduated from would quit acting like this all never happened.
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In the fall of 2009, we began to hear rumors about UT meeting and talking with the Pac-10. I was actually in Austin in December 2009 meeting with (University of Texas president) Bill Powers. At that point, I had asked everyone but him to leave the room so we could talk privately. I asked him if there was any conversation between him and the Pac-10 and his answer basically was, “I can’t talk about that.” The next month, he was in College Station, and we met in my office. I had the same question, and he gave me the same answer.
Go forward to the April (2010) timeframe…I got a call from (Pac-10 commissioner) Larry Scott indicating he wanted to come see me. Scott shows up here, and we have a meeting. Basically they had been working for months, and he had schedules of not just football but, basketball, soccer and baseball, and they had been working hard on this thing. He did a presentation for us on here’s how we are going to do this. I obviously began discussing this privately with the Board of Regents, and the basic direction I got from them was, “Look, we’ll probably get an offer from the Pac-10 to go join them along with five other schools in the Big 12.” The chairman of the board said to me, “One option is no option. You better figure out what things A&M could do besides follow Texas and other schools to the Pac-10.”
I would appreciate it if (I assume) the University you graduated from would quit acting like this all never happened.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 9:39 am to NonregAg09
It's simply geographically stupid.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 9:41 am to cattus
shhh.....Texas is your friend WVU. They just want whats best for the kids. Mack is a great guy, you'll love him.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 9:51 am to texasaggie08
1 month ago Texas was bragging about going to the conf with the best academics in the PAC-12.....and now they are adding WVU and possibly Louisville. Brutal.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 9:56 am to texasaggie08
Also, its a 11/2 hour drive to Pittsburg to go to the airport. Wait a few hours or your flight, Then a nice two hour flight to DFW, then wait another two hours for your connecting flight to Lubbock, which will take about an hour.
And be prepared for nothing, I mean absolutely nothing worth seeing. Not sure which is worse: Lubbock or College Station.
And be prepared for nothing, I mean absolutely nothing worth seeing. Not sure which is worse: Lubbock or College Station.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 10:03 am to HubbaBubba
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Not sure which is worse: Lubbock or College Station.
Lubbock. At least we have Laynes.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 10:09 am to NonregAg09
Lubbock is 5.5 hours from DFW, and 7-10 from Houston, SA, Austin.
CS is 1.5 from Houston & Austin and 2.5 from Dallas/SA.
That alone makes a huge difference.
CS is 1.5 from Houston & Austin and 2.5 from Dallas/SA.
That alone makes a huge difference.
Posted on 10/26/11 at 10:31 am to NonregAg09
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sip: You're saying that Texas did not approach the PAC-10 first, built the proposal with them for a Big 12 South Migration to the PAC-10, and then the other University President's were contacted by Larry Scott?
First, the sip thing makes you come off like a 12 yr old girl..maybe you are a girl, but at least grow up. Second, I won't pretend that I can accurately explain how everything went down when MANY of the schools around the country were starting to piece together plans during the intial talks of conference realignment. Do you have trusted first hand knowledge of the situation or do you just believe everything you hear/read from an Aggie perspective? Your initial post seemed to imply that Texas took hostage of the other schools and were brokering a deal to take them against their will to the PAC 10.
We would have done just fine trying to broker a deal for ourselves which is what NU, CO, A&M and now MU have done, right? I wonder what the O/U is on how many seasons it will take before you find your SEC scapegoat for all the things that dislike or don't go your way?
Posted on 10/26/11 at 10:39 am to ATX Horn
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Do you have trusted first hand knowledge of the situation or do you just believe everything you hear/read from an Aggie perspective?
That quote was from the University President during an interview. What is your definition of first hand knowledge?
Texas unilaterally set up the deal with the PAC-10, and then the PAC-10 came in with the other Universities in the back end to convince them to join. It's not like Texas kept the other Big 12 South schools involved in the discussion.
If Missouri had been the only school that had left for the Big 10, that would not have destabilized the Big 12 in anyway, Texas was the first one to really throw distrust into the picture with their PAC-10 craziness last year.
PAC-10 invited CU individually so Baylor could not be forced into the picture, which was a great move by the PAC-10 and a great move by CU.
Every school that has left the Big 12 has pointed Austin's way for the current disparity and lack of stability. Either they are all right or you are just trying to defend your University. (I don't blame you, it's your school I don't expect different.) The only people in the Big 12 who are going to say that Texas had nothing to do with the situation besides Texas fans are Baylor fans, and that's only because they need the t-sips in the worst way.
This post was edited on 10/26/11 at 10:44 am
Posted on 10/26/11 at 10:54 am to ATX Horn
So first it's "do you have a non-Aggie perspective," and then it's "well so much was going on it's hard to say who's at fault"? Come off it, sip (and no, idgaf if you think that's an immature term or not), and face the fact that your favorite school is toxic to whatever conference they join, and is the primary culprit for running off programs like Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M, and now Mizzou.
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