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Why is everyone so opposed to staying at 13 teams?
Posted on 9/27/11 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 9/27/11 at 3:33 pm
I actually don't have a problem with it. Yes, it may pose a few minor scheduling inequities, but IMO it's really not a big deal. At the end of the day, every team in the SEC is going to play the same number of conference games. Some of my buddies are adament that we have to get to 14 quick. I ask them "why?" and they really don't have a legitimate response other than the scheduling factor, which is minor.
Would it be nice and neat to have an even 14? Sure. But I don't think the SEC needs to "jump" or act quickly at getting to 14 simply to make everything symmetrical. A&M was a great addition, and if there's no one else out there available that would be a solid addition, I say stick with 13 for a while.
I'd go as far to say that I'm fine with the SEC being at 13 for the forseeable future, whether that be 2-3 years or even 10+ years.
Would it be nice and neat to have an even 14? Sure. But I don't think the SEC needs to "jump" or act quickly at getting to 14 simply to make everything symmetrical. A&M was a great addition, and if there's no one else out there available that would be a solid addition, I say stick with 13 for a while.
I'd go as far to say that I'm fine with the SEC being at 13 for the forseeable future, whether that be 2-3 years or even 10+ years.
This post was edited on 9/27/11 at 3:36 pm
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Posted on 9/27/11 at 3:39 pm to JPLSU1981
Can't have all SEC teams playing SEC games in a given weekend. That's not the end of the world though.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 3:43 pm to JPLSU1981
It is not divisible by 2 therefore something will not match or be fair.
Pretty simple to me why the majority is against it.
Pretty simple to me why the majority is against it.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 3:44 pm to TriumphTiger
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Can't have all SEC teams playing SEC games in a given weekend. That's not the end of the world though.
... which I just checked and doesn't happen this season anyway.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 3:48 pm to AcetylCoA
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It is not divisible by 2 therefore something will not match or be fair.
Pretty simple to me why the majority is against it.
It certainly makes it a lot harder to schedule in terms of E-W similarity.
7 teams in one division plays everybody in the division + 2 more.
6 teams in one division plays everybody in the division + 3 more?
Who/what? Doesn't work easily.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 3:49 pm to JPLSU1981
Would it be fair for teams in the west to have to beat out 6 other teams to win the division when the East would only have to beat out 5?
Posted on 9/27/11 at 3:50 pm to AcetylCoA
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It is not divisible by 2 therefore something will not match or be fair.
Every SEC team will play the exact same number of SEC games. I don't see how that's any more unfair than what we currently have. On second thought, it is EXACTLY what we currently have.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 3:53 pm to chinesebandit76
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Would it be fair for teams in the west to have to beat out 6 other teams to win the division when the East would only have to beat out 5?
There are typically only about 3 teams in each division that are competing for the division title anyway, so I'm not sure why the total number of teams in the division is even relevant. Overall SEC record is used to determine division champions, and every SEC team (whether East or West) would be playing the exact same number of SEC games.
Let me add this: I, like everyone else, would like 14 teams, everything is equal, etc, etc.....But the point of my thread is moreso to argue that there's really nothing wrong with 13 either and it's not as big of a deal as some are making it out to be. there is no rush to get to 14 IMO. 13 is really no different than 12 and no different than 14. At the end of the day, everyon is playing the same number of SEC games.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 3:53 pm to JPLSU1981
Im still in favor of just letting OM/MSU combine forces going forward.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 4:11 pm to JPLSU1981
quote:Actually, if you keep things in two divisions, I'm not sure how to have each team play the same number of games.
Every SEC team will play the exact same number of SEC games. I don't see how that's any more unfair than what we currently have. On second thought, it is EXACTLY what we currently have.
Let's assume that the West has seven teams and the East has six. If it's an eight-game conference schedule, for the West that means playing everyone in the division once and two teams from the East. But in the East, that means playing everyone in the division once and THREE teams from the west. Math wasn't my best subject in school, but I'm pretty sure that doesn't add up.
The only way two divisions work if there is an odd number of SEC teams is for the West teams to play one more game than the East teams. You OK with that?
And, to have a championship game under NCAA rules, there must be 1) two divisions with six or more teams and 2) round-robin play in each division.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 4:15 pm to JPLSU1981
at 13 you will have aTm playing a 4/4 schedule and everyone else will be playing a 5/3 schedule, so it is not the same for all teams. at 14 we can all go to either a 6/3 or 6/2 depending on how many games the sec wants to schedule.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 4:17 pm to JPLSU1981
I wouldn't mind 13 if it didn't frick up the schedule so much.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 4:26 pm to jcole4lsu
quote:Actually, I don't think you can do that, because NCAA bylaws require round-robin play in the divisions to qualify for a championship game.
at 13 you will have aTm playing a 4/4 schedule and everyone else will be playing a 5/3 schedule, so it is not the same for all teams. at 14 we can all go to either a 6/3 or 6/2 depending on how many games the sec wants to schedule.
Relevent bylaw (edited for space):
17.9.5.2 Annual Exemptions. [FBS/FCS] The maximum number of football contests shall exclude the following:
(c) Twelve-Member Conference Championship Game. [FBS/FCS] A con-ference championship game
between division champions of a member conference of 12 or more institutions that is divided into two divisions (of six or more institutions each), each of which conducts round-robin, regular-season competition among the members of that division;
Posted on 9/27/11 at 4:32 pm to RedStickCock
link on the secr has lsu NOT playing MSU next year. reportedly leaked from the sec office
Posted on 9/27/11 at 4:35 pm to JPLSU1981
What's the most unfair are two things;
1) home games
2) who decides which team gets to drop which other school from their schedule? like say.. Auburn no longer has to play arkansas or something... and LSU no longer has to play miss st. So LSU loses a 90% win and Auburn loses a 50% win. fair? no.
1) home games
2) who decides which team gets to drop which other school from their schedule? like say.. Auburn no longer has to play arkansas or something... and LSU no longer has to play miss st. So LSU loses a 90% win and Auburn loses a 50% win. fair? no.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 4:44 pm to RedStickCock
the MAC was granted an exemption to the round robin rule because of unbalanced divisions. They have 13 teams. The SEC should get the same if needed.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 4:47 pm to jcole4lsu
Well, I can't attest to the accuracy of what was posted about the schedule, but if LSU doesn't play MSU, then it's not round-robin, and if it's not round-robin, then the SEC doesn't qualify to have a championship game, as I read the bylaws.
Fortunately, the NCAA isn't known for zealously interpreting its bylaws.
Fortunately, the NCAA isn't known for zealously interpreting its bylaws.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 4:48 pm to Dobermann
quote:Oh. Never mind.
the MAC was granted an exemption to the round robin rule because of unbalanced divisions. They have 13 teams. The SEC should get the same if needed.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 4:48 pm to RedStickCock
as posted earlier, a simple waiver can be obtained... see the MAC
Posted on 9/27/11 at 6:09 pm to JPLSU1981
That is like asking why would anyone be against swimming and you only could have 1 arm....
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