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re: we gotta stop this permanent rivalry shite
Posted on 10/18/11 at 8:53 pm to ACT
Posted on 10/18/11 at 8:53 pm to ACT
And your response to the rivalry question makes perfect sense. I happen to disagree that it would completely kill all of the things you mentioned, and that it is currently as important to the rest of the conference as it is to you individually, but I do understand where you're coming from.
I wouldn't expect an OOC game every year if you aren't on the conference schedule, but my logic behind that point is more toward the people that think it's great just because it is an annual thing, and speak less about the emotional aspect and history you pointed out.
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Posted on 10/18/11 at 8:57 pm to ohiovol
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Must have missed this suffering.
Umm.. check out all the chatter between the FL and LSU fanbases for starters. The minority is in favor of the permanent rivalry thing.
This post was edited on 10/18/11 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 10/18/11 at 8:58 pm to darkstarr_drgga
I also hate listening to Gator fans.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 8:59 pm to darkstarr_drgga
I still can't believe that Nebraska and OU gave up their permanent rivalry when the Big 8 expanded. That was on the level of Ohio State-Michigan or Miami-FSU at the time.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 9:00 pm to ohiovol
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I also hate listening to Gator fans.
Explains why you are so blissful then. I really don't care if you like getting the crap kicked out of you every year by Bama. I've just never been a fan of having to play Fla every year, when other teams get to play the likes of Kentucky and Vanderbilt. It's not fair or balanced.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 9:07 pm to MOT
quote:9 game conference could work across the board, although it wouldn't be ideal. I think the only way that works is to drop a cupcake. And I think dropping a cupcake only happens if the "super conferences" do their own thing and branch off. We pay these smaller schools as favors to help them out and make them competitive. Hope that made some sense..
Obi-Wan Tiger
quote:I do disagree with the bandwagon bama fan's mindset in that it should be played every year just because we always have and that's the way it should be. That makes us too Texas-ish.
MOT
I just respect the history that is college football and think that if the importance of a game can be maintained, then accomodations can be made. As much as I think UT/UA should remain, I also believe Tiger Stadium should keep some of it's night games. I'm willing to accommodate to some changes when necessary, I just don't view removing the Conference affiliation of that game as necessary. But like you said, it goes back to the emotional aspect of the history.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 9:12 pm to ACT
Then we are on the same page. I'm all about tradition...I was just suggesting a way for you to keep your rivalry game with UT. The same goes for AU - UGA. And I don't buy the "it won't be the same if it doesn't count in the SEC standings" talk. Ask UGA/GaTech, Fla/FSU, USCe/Clemson and Ky/UL. Those are vicious rivalries. But, when a conference has to accomodate nine or ten other schools because of two games, something isn't right.
This post was edited on 10/18/11 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 10/18/11 at 9:18 pm to Daigeaux
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I still can't believe that Nebraska and OU gave up their permanent rivalry when the Big 8 expanded. That was on the level of Ohio State-Michigan or Miami-FSU at the time.
Nebraska realized that this move would be a sign of friendship and be rewarded by Texas at a later date.
;)
Posted on 10/18/11 at 9:21 pm to ACT
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9 game conference could work across the board, although it wouldn't be ideal. I think the only way that works is to drop a cupcake. And I think dropping a cupcake only happens if the "super conferences" do their own thing and branch off. We pay these smaller schools as favors to help them out and make them competitive. Hope that made some sense..
Definitely drop a cupcake. I would certainly hope that if a 9 game schedule became reality, LSU would drop Towson and not Washington. Having a good OOC schedule this year has made our season that much more exciting. As you do, I respect history and tradtion and I LIKE playing UF every year. But I would rather play them twice every five years, than only be able to see UGA or UT every twelve.
As others have said, it's just not a true conference if you hardly ever play damn near half the teams in it.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 9:24 pm to ACT
ACT...this is exactly why A&M left the Big 12..UT's opinion mattered more than anybody else's...they were willing to give up an important rivarly for the betterment of the school.
No one conference game is bigger than the conference as a whole. I, personally have never seen the Bama UT game as that big of a game. As far as CBS is concerned it must not be that important if they are not broadcasting it this year.
With expansion ALL schools must adjust. Your annual game with UT is no more or less important than LSU's game with UF. I would even say we have had a harder road since expansion because of UF domination in the last 20 years.
I enjoy playing all the teams within the conference but the permanent cross divison game prevents teams from playing more frequently.
No one conference game is bigger than the conference as a whole. I, personally have never seen the Bama UT game as that big of a game. As far as CBS is concerned it must not be that important if they are not broadcasting it this year.
With expansion ALL schools must adjust. Your annual game with UT is no more or less important than LSU's game with UF. I would even say we have had a harder road since expansion because of UF domination in the last 20 years.
I enjoy playing all the teams within the conference but the permanent cross divison game prevents teams from playing more frequently.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 9:30 pm to dante
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ACT...this is exactly why A&M left the Big 12..UT's opinion mattered more than anybody else's...they were willing to give up an important rivarly for the betterment of the school.
I don't think anyone is saying either Alabama's or Tennessee's opinion is worth more than that of everyone else.
If the SEC isn't willing to move on without getting UT and Bama on board, it's hard to blame UT and Bama.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 9:34 pm to dante
If anyone is suggesting our opinion matters more than anyone else's, they're incorrect. Like has been suggested before, UA/UT only accounts for 2/12 votes. It only takes 9 to pass a measure in the SEC. Slive is the one that wants the unanimous, and we aren't willing to give it as is. If those other 10 schools are so willing to have Mizzou and display power, they should go to Slive themselves and if he shuns them then 10 schools requesting your removal from office can be quite convincing.
Bama isn't to blame for this, we are in the minority on this discussion.
Bama isn't to blame for this, we are in the minority on this discussion.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 9:45 pm to ACT
Don't get me wrong, I would much rather have a team that fits geographically in the east, I just don't like the permanent cross divison game. I prefer playing all the teams in the east with the shortest cycle possible.
I do find it a little ironic that Bama/UT and Auburn/UGA are/were the main reason for the current permanent cross divison game.
I do find it a little ironic that Bama/UT and Auburn/UGA are/were the main reason for the current permanent cross divison game.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 10:51 pm to dante
I just wish LSU fans would stop beating around the bush and admit they're scared of Florida. You want the easiest route to ATL possible- that's what this is about. No need to bullshite us.
Once you admit that's what this is about, maybe the powers that be can find you a new permanent game, maybe Kentucky or someone less threatening.
Once you admit that's what this is about, maybe the powers that be can find you a new permanent game, maybe Kentucky or someone less threatening.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:13 pm to attheua
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I just wish LSU fans would stop beating around the bush and admit they're scared of Florida.
Right, and we are going to start voicing our concern just when Florida is on a slide. Permanent cross divisional rivalries only make sense in Alabama, Ga, and Tenn.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:23 pm to East Coast Band
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Sorry LSU doesn't have a real rivalry, and hasn't had one since 1958 against ole miss. It's not Bama's fault you don't have a tradition. Uga and auburn would also like to keep a tradition going, if you don't mind.
Sorry, but it appears to me this rivalry that was set up between you and Florida hasn't been what you wanted. Sorry you guys haven't had to respect and deal with an instate rivalry in 50 years, either.
we happen to like playing the other sec teams. our friggin' wants count too. i like playing ut; i like playing uga and i like playing florida. if y'all titty babies get your way, i don't get to watch lsu play those guys but once every 6 years. that's bull shite. just so you can keep your precious rivalries? NO
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:28 pm to MOT
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Thats where we differ, and thats where the discussion gets sidetracked. Nobody is saying you can't keep your tradition, everyone is saying your tradition in its current state hamstrings the rest of the conference from having a sensible scheduling format.
BINGO FRIGGIN' BINGO. why does lsu have to give up playing ut, uga AND florida just so friggin bama can play ut. that's bull shite.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:39 pm to LSU GrandDad
quote:Schedule them as OOC games?
BINGO FRIGGIN' BINGO. why does lsu have to give up playing ut, uga AND florida just so friggin bama can play ut. that's bull shite.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:40 pm to LSU GrandDad
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BINGO FRIGGIN' BINGO. why does lsu have to give up playing ut, uga AND florida
You... don't?
As a side note, if we end up being forced to play UT outside of the conference schedule, I look forward to the tears when, for example, LSU beats us, Tennessee beats us, LSU drops two random SEC games, and we go to the SEC CG over LSU because we only have 1 conference loss. You all know that you, and any other fan base in the SEC west in a similar situation, would be beyond pissed.
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Schedule them as OOC games?
This post was edited on 10/18/11 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 10/18/11 at 11:45 pm to ACT
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Schedule them as OOC games?
that wasn't my idea.
my idea is simply NO PERMANENT RIVAL GAMES BETWEEN DIVISIONS. sorry, we protected them as long as we could. screwing LSU and the rest of the conference just so one or teams benefit is the kind of selfish bull shite that broke up the big 12. i mean, no offense to ole miss or msu but damit, i'd rather play the power guys of the east more than once every 6 years. i will hardly feel like we are in the sec if that's the case.
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