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re: So let me get this straight--TEXAS is the bad guy?
Posted on 8/15/11 at 2:20 pm to LSU Rules07
Posted on 8/15/11 at 2:20 pm to LSU Rules07
I'm sure if this thing folds, DeLoss Dodds will find him a job in Austin.
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Posted on 8/15/11 at 2:24 pm to LSU Rules07
quote:If nine other schools can't band together and reel it in, then they're just as much to blame for these perceived problems as is Texas.
The problem with the Big 12 is you have 1 team that has a large majority of the wealth and power. If that wasnt bad enough they are starting a network just for themselves so that they can become even more wealthy and even more powerful.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 2:29 pm to xiv
I agree that 9 other teams should be able to do more for themselves. It doesn't mean that Texas shouldn't help them out though. It benefits Texas more if everyone in the conference has some success
Posted on 8/15/11 at 2:31 pm to xiv
If UH gets invited to the conference then ur getting a watered down product. It would make it harder to get to the national championship game
Posted on 8/15/11 at 2:32 pm to LSU Rules07
quote:That's what Texas was doing when they tried to take more than half of them with them to the Pac-10. A&M balked at the deal, effectively killing it, and Texas stayed in the Big 12 and has taken no action toward leaving the Big 12 since.
It doesn't mean that Texas shouldn't help them out though. It benefits Texas more if everyone in the conference has some success
Of course, this was no selfless act of Texas; the Longhorns are acting in their own self-interest, which anybody should understand.
The casting of Texas as the villain and only villain here is like shopping at Albertson's and not Wal-Mart because Wal-Mart is a big bad evil corporation. Well, Albertson is a big bad evil corporation, too--they're just not as good at it as Wal-Mart is. UT is rich as hell, and they're only getting richer; A&M would do the exact same if they had the chance. A&M is no more or less "evil" than UT or anyone else.
This post was edited on 8/15/11 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 8/15/11 at 2:33 pm to xiv
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Of course, this was no selfless act of Texas; the Longhorns are acting in their own self-interest, which anybody should understand.
And so is A&M now.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 2:34 pm to xiv
Whether the longhorns take action to leave the conference themselves or take action that makes others want to leave, it doesn't make it any less their doing, does it?
Posted on 8/15/11 at 2:36 pm to relapse98
quote:And that's my point--there's nothing wrong with any of it. There's nothing wrong with UT taking a bigger chunk of the pie if the others give it to them. There's nothing wrong with trying to go to the Pac-10. There's nothing wrong with Nebraska going to the Big Ten. There's nothing wrong with the Longhorn Network. There's nothing wrong with the Big 12 protesting some things about the Longhorn Network. There's nothing wrong with A&M trying to go to the SEC.
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Of course, this was no selfless act of Texas; the Longhorns are acting in their own self-interest, which anybody should understand.
And so is A&M now.
Nobody has done anything inherently wrong here. There are just a lot of people who are envious of Texas. That's the only problem here--envy.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 2:38 pm to AAM02
quote:Colorado, Nebraska, Missouri, and Texas A&M are no more or less to blame for the Big 12's perceived instability than Texas is. All these teams have left or have tried to leave the conference.
Whether the longhorns take action to leave the conference themselves or take action that makes others want to leave, it doesn't make it any less their doing, does it?
And for that matter, Baylor, Texas Tech, and anyone else who licks UT's balls is just as much to blame for it, too.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 2:38 pm to xiv
Maybe Texas should invest money back in some of the member schools. Y'all got plenty of money.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 2:56 pm to xiv
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Colorado, Nebraska, Missouri, and Texas A&M are no more or less to blame for the Big 12's perceived instability than Texas is. All these teams have left or have tried to leave the conference.
And for that matter, Baylor, Texas Tech, and anyone else who licks UT's balls is just as much to blame for it, too.
That doesn't make sense to me at all. It's because of Texas' greed that most of it is happening - so Texas is the main point of blame. UT is the reason Nebraska left - it's the reason A&M is trying. Teams like Baylor and Tech have no other choices - if they did they would say something but they can't or they are in conference USA and not a BCS conference. UT is bullying these schools and the ones that do have the balls are leaving.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 2:59 pm to Dice
I'm also not sure what xiv is trying to say. So if we get fed up w/ our leadership we shouldn't try to leave. If we don't say anything it's our fault the conference is on shaky ground?
How about just admitting that the longhorns are imperfect, throw their weight around a bit too much, and the current league commissioner doesn't keep them in check? I'm an A&M grad. I've been seeing this for a while. You don't have to take our word for it, but I'm not sure how else to explain things at this point.
How about just admitting that the longhorns are imperfect, throw their weight around a bit too much, and the current league commissioner doesn't keep them in check? I'm an A&M grad. I've been seeing this for a while. You don't have to take our word for it, but I'm not sure how else to explain things at this point.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 3:00 pm to Dice
quote:Texas is no more greedy than anyone else. The nine other Big 12 schools have enough power to stop licking UT's balls and tell them "our way or the highway." But they won't. Why? Because an association with Texas means $$$.
It's because of Texas' greed that most of it is happening
The other schools are just as greedy; Texas is just better at it.
quote:If I tell you I need all your money, and you give it to me, whose fault is it that you're starving?
so Texas is the main point of blame.
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UT is bullying these schools
Ok.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 3:05 pm to AAM02
Agreed - not sure what xiv is talking about or point he/ she trying to make.
The Big 12 seems to be set up to fail.
The Big 12 seems to be set up to fail.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 3:06 pm to AAM02
quote:I'm saying, do whatever you want, and accept that Texas will do whatever they want, and stop blaming Texas for everything. The entire Big 12 created the current situation--not just Texas.
I'm also not sure what xiv is trying to say. So if we get fed up w/ our leadership we shouldn't try to leave. If we don't say anything it's our fault the conference is on shaky ground?
quote:It's just as true as is the fact that the nine other conference schools together are more powerful than Texas alone is. Don't like 'em? Kick 'em out, or take control, or whatever.
How about just admitting that the longhorns are imperfect, throw their weight around a bit too much, and the current league commissioner doesn't keep them in check?
quote:I've been seeing it for a while, too, and as much as you don't want to admit it, Texas is only swinging around the dick that they're allowed by the other conference schools to have.
I've been seeing this for a while. You don't have to take our word for it, but I'm not sure how else to explain things at this point.
Why aren't Aggies bitching about Baylor and Tech and OU for their apparent sycophantic loyalty to Texas? That's the problem. Texas is just richer than you and usually better than you, and they know it, and that pisses you off. They're not doing anything wrong to you.
This post was edited on 8/15/11 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 8/15/11 at 3:08 pm to xiv
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Texas is no more greedy than anyone else. The nine other Big 12 schools have enough power to stop licking UT's balls and tell them "our way or the highway." But they won't. Why? Because an association with Texas means $$$.
More nonsense. That is not how you develop a conference or partnership. I simply don't see any of your points making any sense whatsoever. Do you think Baylor or Tech are equal to UT? Do you think Vandy is equal to Bama? No but Bama treats Vandy like an equal in the conference and thus the conference is strong.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 3:11 pm to Dice
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That doesn't make sense to me at all. It's because of Texas' greed that most of it is happening - so Texas is the main point of blame. UT is the reason Nebraska left - it's the reason A&M is trying. Teams like Baylor and Tech have no other choices - if they did they would say something but they can't or they are in conference USA and not a BCS conference. UT is bullying these schools and the ones that do have the balls are leaving.
It's TX. These other schools are like women in an abusive relationship that truly believe leaving may be worse and then people blame them for staying instead of the abuser. Neb and CO had attractive options; A&M is trying to generate one; but many of the others in the Big 12 feel the alternative is worse, so they just hang on and some want to blame them or worse, those who escaped for breaking up the marriage.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 3:14 pm to Dice
quote:I agree with everything you just said. I don't see where the "nonsense" comes in. If the nine other schools demand to be treated as equals, they will be.
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Texas is no more greedy than anyone else. The nine other Big 12 schools have enough power to stop licking UT's balls and tell them "our way or the highway." But they won't. Why? Because an association with Texas means $$$.
More nonsense. That is not how you develop a conference or partnership. I simply don't see any of your points making any sense whatsoever. Do you think Baylor or Tech are equal to UT? Do you think Vandy is equal to Bama? No but Bama treats Vandy like an equal in the conference and thus the conference is strong.
But they won't. You know why? For one, Texas A&M wouldn't go along with it. They get a lion's share of the Big 12 pie, too. They're just as much of a bully as Texas is. Texas is just better at it.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 3:15 pm to Dice
xiv - i have a question for you:
do you think the SEC would benfit if each team got a % of $ based on their marketability and what they bring into the conference, as opposed to equal sharing?
do you think the SEC would benfit if each team got a % of $ based on their marketability and what they bring into the conference, as opposed to equal sharing?
Posted on 8/15/11 at 3:16 pm to xiv
When A&M asked Texas to not air high school games, Texas did not say "we won't", Texas said "we'll wait a year before doing it"
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