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Posted on 9/7/11 at 7:24 pm to baytiger
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no, you can't... the math doesn't work
Yes, you can. You just have to be willing to move teams into other divisions.
Let's take the scenario where you move Auburn and Alabama into the East.
The Iron Bowl is preserved; TN-AL becomes a division game, as does AU-GA; even the manufactured rivalries are pretty intact. The Egg Bowl is untouched, as are the Battle for the Boot, the Cocktail Party, etc.
You get 6 division games, 1 permanent rival, and one rotating opponent in the opposite side, for an 8 game schedule.
The 4 biggest disruptions this alignment might be considered to cause are LSU-Alabama, LSU-Florida, AR-SC, and AU-LSU; two of those can be alleviated by giving permanent 'rival game' status to AR-SCand LSU-Alabama. At that point, the two 'big lost games' are AU-LSU and LSU-Florida-- both are kind of sad to see end, but neither has the other as their end-all be all rival, and you can stagger the schedules to where one of those games is happening in 2 of every 6 years, not counting potential SEC CG scenarios.
Please point out the rivalries that would be disrupted on that schedule. I'm trying hard, but I just don't think AU-MU/AR-AL/AR-AU quite makes a big enough difference to matter.
Posted on 9/7/11 at 7:26 pm to BoardReader
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Let's take the scenario where you move Auburn and Alabama into the East.
The Iron Bowl is preserved; TN-AL becomes a division game, as does AU-GA; even the manufactured rivalries are pretty intact. The Egg Bowl is untouched, as are the Battle for the Boot, the Cocktail Party, etc.
You get 6 division games, 1 permanent rival, and one rotating opponent in the opposite side, for an 8 game schedule.
this destroys two of LSU's rivalries, to where it would take at least 13 years to complete home and homes with both Alabama and Auburn(or Florida)... we might as well not even be in the same conference anymore, unless we happen to meet in the title game.
as for Ark/USC, does either fanbase even care about that rivalry? I left it out of my scenario, but could easily add it back in.
This post was edited on 9/7/11 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 9/7/11 at 7:28 pm to baytiger
Much better.
It'll never happen.
It'll never happen.
Posted on 9/7/11 at 7:30 pm to baytiger
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Either a 4 team playoff (by NCAA approval)
Posted on 9/7/11 at 7:40 pm to baytiger
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no, you can't... the math doesn't work
It doesn't have to. Divisions would have to be eliminated, and each team would have 5 permanent opponents each year, with the remaining 8 teams rotating out every 5 or 6 years.
Posted on 9/7/11 at 7:45 pm to baytiger
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this destroys two of LSU's rivalries, to where it would take at least 13 years to complete home and homes with both Alabama and Auburn(or Florida)... we might as well not even be in the same conference anymore, unless we happen to meet in the title game. as for Ark/USC, does either fanbase even care about that rivalry? I left it out of my scenario, but could easily add it back in.
How many rivalries can one school really claim, though? I can understand seeking to preserve 2, but 3? 4? Just because MSU-Alabama has a venerable heritage of Alabama cherishing the thrashings it annually gives MSU, does not make it something that should be preserved at all costs.
Giving LSU a permanent game with Alabama resolves the 'biggest game' on the schedule that I most typically hear from LSU fans, while maintaining the integrity of the games that have generally mattered most for every other school. Would it be nice if there was LSU-Auburn and LSU-Florida every year? Sure-- but none of those games are exactly vital. Florida-LSU has a 20 year history as a constructed rivalry, but it's probably your 2nd or 3rd biggest game over that time period.
As an Arkansas fan, I don't much care about the SC game, but I realize it fulfills many of the necessary functions of realignment; it keeps 'new with new', so that the teams have a conjoined history, something I do view as favorable in keeping when possible. It also neatly removes them from the permanent rivalry equation, to where the 'Prior 10' can not be bothered by them in consideration of the new permanent rival status.
I think switching out Alabama for a Florida or a Auburn would be fine for LSU- I'm pretty sure nobody moving East is going to trip over themselves regretting losing their games with MSU, save perhaps as schedule padding.
In the end, if those are the biggest losses on the slate, the SEC will be fine without them.
Posted on 9/7/11 at 7:46 pm to BayouBengals03
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It doesn't have to. Divisions would have to be eliminated, and each team would have 5 permanent opponents each year, with the remaining 8 teams rotating out every 5 or 6 years.
That tends to really screw up the tiebreaker procedures, and will either A) Strengthen the importance of the BCS rankings, or B) Cause bowls to strongly reconsider their relationship to the SEC.
Posted on 9/7/11 at 7:49 pm to BoardReader
that, and I'm not sure the NCAA would allow a conference championship game without a divisional format.
Posted on 9/7/11 at 7:52 pm to baytiger
You just said in the other thread that the NCAA doesn't care how you determine your champion, just as long as you do. 
Under your format, divisions would have to be abolished as well. The 4-team "divisions" would be in place only for scheduling purposes.
You can't have 2 games at the end of the year to determine the conference champion. You'd probably just have to take the two teams with the best records and have them play it out for the title.
Under your format, divisions would have to be abolished as well. The 4-team "divisions" would be in place only for scheduling purposes.
You can't have 2 games at the end of the year to determine the conference champion. You'd probably just have to take the two teams with the best records and have them play it out for the title.
This post was edited on 9/7/11 at 7:55 pm
Posted on 9/7/11 at 7:54 pm to BayouBengals03
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You just said in the other thread that the NCAA doesn't care how you determine your champion, just as long as you do.
hm
Actually, I said that the BCS doesn't care. The NCAA does.
I know that every conference that has a championship has a divisional format, and there's no way that we ditch the championship.. we're more likely to add semifinals.
This post was edited on 9/7/11 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 9/7/11 at 7:58 pm to baytiger
Well, like you said, all we'd need is the NCAA's approval.
I think the conference stops at 14. At least for now. It would be a scheduling nightmare otherwise, simply because of all of the rivalries. The Pac 12 can get away with going to 16 because each team doesn't have like 4 rivals like we do here in the SEC.
I think the conference stops at 14. At least for now. It would be a scheduling nightmare otherwise, simply because of all of the rivalries. The Pac 12 can get away with going to 16 because each team doesn't have like 4 rivals like we do here in the SEC.
This post was edited on 9/7/11 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 9/7/11 at 8:00 pm to baytiger
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which explains my geography
(I didn't actually go to a big 10 school)
But I bet you've stayed ta Holiday Inn!
Posted on 9/7/11 at 8:11 pm to HubbaBubba
They could go to 9 or 10 conference games, it would be brutal. But the only schools really with out of conference rivals are Uga, uf, sc, tam (maybe), uk?? UL .... it would mean the mean green of north tx would be everyones hc game in the western divusion though.
Posted on 9/7/11 at 8:13 pm to 3rddownonthe8
quote:9 is highly doubtful, 10 just isn't happening.
9 or 10 conference games
Posted on 9/8/11 at 12:49 am to baytiger
I don't think 9 is doubtful at all.
They aren't going to kill the permanent rivalries. So unless they want to have it where certain teams only play each other once every 7 years, they might have to go to a 9-game schedule.
They aren't going to kill the permanent rivalries. So unless they want to have it where certain teams only play each other once every 7 years, they might have to go to a 9-game schedule.
Posted on 9/8/11 at 12:51 am to baytiger
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I believe that there is now no way around it. The SEC must expand to 16 teams.
Been thinking this myself. I think both the Big 10 and the Pac 12 both will go to 16 teams.
Posted on 9/8/11 at 7:48 am to baytiger
Damn looking at that shite the SEC would be taking over a good portion of the country
Posted on 9/8/11 at 7:56 am to baytiger
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SW Division: LSU, aTm, Ole Miss, Alabama
SE Division: Auburn, UGA, UF, FSU
I don't see how you can put 5 of the traditionally top 6 SEC teams in 2 "sub-divisions"
Posted on 9/8/11 at 8:22 am to tetu
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I don't see how you can put 5 of the traditionally top 6 SEC teams in 2 "sub-divisions"
There's really no choice but to load up those divisions in order to maintain rivalries. UGA has to play UF and Auburn, so they can't leave the division with both of them. Auburn can't move west, as it leaves the same problem of too many power teams in the two divisions. FSU can't move unless OM moves NW and then you have the LSU/Arkansas problem
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