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re: Is there any chance SEC schools vote against expansion?
Posted on 8/28/11 at 5:10 pm to Uncle Stu
Posted on 8/28/11 at 5:10 pm to Uncle Stu
quote:
Uncle Stu
Is there any chance SEC schools vote against expansion?
read again
it states $30 to $33million each
Dosh is a respected lawyer who not only writes for Forbes mag but has published two books on the financial impact of sports
Solomon is just a columnist
I'll take her stats over his any day
You are telling me 1 team that has 45% of the Texas Market will make a 95% Increase per team than the current SEC Market.
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 5:17 pm to SunHog
I'm telling you her statement in an interview this past week.
you dont have any more of a clue about what sort of talks the SEC and ESPN are having behind the scenes than I do
I'm betting her connections are much better than mine. And do you honestly think a guy like Slive was going to let it get this far unless he already had assurances? No way in hell.
and regardless, If the Ags stayed, how much money would A&M get in 4 years when the big12 crumbles?
you dont have any more of a clue about what sort of talks the SEC and ESPN are having behind the scenes than I do
I'm betting her connections are much better than mine. And do you honestly think a guy like Slive was going to let it get this far unless he already had assurances? No way in hell.
and regardless, If the Ags stayed, how much money would A&M get in 4 years when the big12 crumbles?
This post was edited on 8/28/11 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 8/28/11 at 5:19 pm to Uncle Stu
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That works for me. As much as I love knowing we're playing Florida every year, starting up a great rivalry with A&M is much more appealing
Not to mention a lot easier game to win. LSU already has a pretty good W/L ratio against aggy and adding to it is always a good thing. But, LSU/UF is usually a more meaningful game and one I would enjoy more.
Posted on 8/28/11 at 5:28 pm to Uncle Stu
quote:
Uncle Stu
Is there any chance SEC schools vote against expansion?
I'm telling you her statement in an interview this past week.
you dont have any more of a clue about what sort of talks the SEC and ESPN are having behind the scenes than I do
I'm betting her connections are much better than mine. And do you honestly think a guy like Slive was going to let it get this far unless he already had assurances? No way in hell.
and regardless, If the Ags stayed, how much money would A&M get in 4 years when the big12 crumbles?
Exactly, it's funny to work up the emotional ones on this board with a voice of reason backed up with numbers.
Come on over Arkansas can't wait to get in the backyard of Texas again.
What Makes the Big12 crumble if TAMU stays or even if they go and more teams are added? You don't know jack about that either just guessing.
I want you to get more emotional I like it.
Posted on 8/28/11 at 5:57 pm to Latarian
quote:No way. Slive had the votes before the meeting of the 11 or he wouldn't have allowed this to go this far.
No flame just wondering if schools really could block expansion with a vote. Thought I heard 9/12 have to approve.
It's done.
This post was edited on 8/28/11 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 8/29/11 at 2:01 pm to Touchdowns4LSU
The only way I could see Kentucky being against expansion is out of concern that Alabama and Auburn may be moved to the East depending on which teams are invited. Kentucky's uphill battle in the East might as well be a trip to the moon in a division with Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, and Auburn.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 3:45 pm to TheFolker
IMO - A&M Wells get the votes required. Really no threat to the balance in the conference.
Same applies if the East Div. addition is coming from the Northeast; I.e. VaT, Clemson.
But it will be an interesting/different meeting if the topic is FlSt. If their is any discussion of 16 teams, lines will be drawn in the sand! Despite earlier thoughts of 4 divisions, I think it stays at 2 unless the expansion is still greater
Gene Stalling commented on Mike Leach sat radio, don't be surprised to 24 in the SEC!
Only thing that is clear is that the landscape of D-1 is being repainted as we speak
Same applies if the East Div. addition is coming from the Northeast; I.e. VaT, Clemson.
But it will be an interesting/different meeting if the topic is FlSt. If their is any discussion of 16 teams, lines will be drawn in the sand! Despite earlier thoughts of 4 divisions, I think it stays at 2 unless the expansion is still greater
Gene Stalling commented on Mike Leach sat radio, don't be surprised to 24 in the SEC!
Only thing that is clear is that the landscape of D-1 is being repainted as we speak
Posted on 8/29/11 at 3:53 pm to Tigerntx
quote:
sunhog
Beebe bucks aren't real money, the 18 million we were suppose to get from a future promised tv deals wouldn't start till 2013 anyway.
This post was edited on 8/29/11 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 8/29/11 at 3:54 pm to SunHog
quote:
What Makes the Big12 crumble if TAMU stays or even if they go and more teams are added? You don't know jack about that either just guessing.
I want you to get more emotional I like it.
The Big 12 is inherently unstable due to their revenue distribution method and, connected with that, the Longhorn Network.
The Longhorns get the lion's share of the TV money PLUS have their own channel carried by ESPN which interferes with the league's ability to negotiate a better deal for all teams.
The Longhorns are getting greedy and, IMHO, it's just a matter of time before the A&Ms, OUs, and Mizzous of the world start looking for a soft landing with another conference.
No one wants to be left without a chair when the music stops.
Baylor and Iowa State are going to ride the Big 12 until it dies because they're in C-USA or the WAC otherwise. Everyone else is looking for a potential landing spot, ranging from the Pac 12 for OU and OSU to the SEC for A&M to the Big East for Kansas and K-State.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 3:56 pm to CassiusClay
quote:
CassiusClay
Is there any chance SEC schools vote against expansion?
quote:
sunhog
Beebe bucks isn't real money, the 18 million we were suppose to get from a future promised tv deals wouldn't start till 2013 anyway.
From a fan perspective I don't mind TAMU coming over. From a Business perspective I want more.
If we add a weaker market team to the East it hurts our overall revenue stream.
If we add 2 teams (TAMU and someone else) start an SEC Network and show the extra conference games on the SEC Network with our current renegotiated ESPN contract, I'm totally satisfied on the business end.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 3:57 pm to teke184
Will the presidents vote on a deal that costs member schools money in the short term, with the promise that a new TV deal is on the horizon?
A&M doesn't exactly deliver those big Texas markets on their own. I feel like the SEC is already being watched nationwide. A&M will increase exposure in Texas, but will it be enough to justify a huge new TV contract?
I think some posters are extrapolating big gains in the future TV contract just to support their wishful thoughts about expansion.
A&M doesn't exactly deliver those big Texas markets on their own. I feel like the SEC is already being watched nationwide. A&M will increase exposure in Texas, but will it be enough to justify a huge new TV contract?
I think some posters are extrapolating big gains in the future TV contract just to support their wishful thoughts about expansion.
This post was edited on 8/29/11 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 8/29/11 at 4:01 pm to wmr
quote:
Will the presidents vote on a deal that costs member schools money in the short term, with the promise that a new TV deal is on the horizon?
TV money isn't everything. Having a foothold in Texas is great for recruiting.
In the case of schools like Tennessee which have to recruit nationwide because of the lack of homegrown talent, having an "in" to recruiting in East Texas helps take pressure off of their national recruiting budget.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 4:04 pm to wmr
quote:
wmr
Is there any chance SEC schools vote against expansion?
Will the presidents vote on a deal that costs member schools money in the short term, with the promise that a new TV deal is on the horizon?
A&M doesn't exactly deliver those big Texas markets on their own. I feel like the SEC is already being watched nationwide. A&M will increase exposure in Texas, but will it be enough to justify a huge new TV contract?
I think some posters are extrapolating big gains in the future TV contract just to support their wishful thoughts about expansion.
Correct, I've seen the numbers tossed around here at each school receiving $30-36M per team.
That would be literally a 94% revenue increase of the current contract, ha. I want to see where these numbers would come from with the Current Setup and No SEC Network attached to additional games outside of ESPN, if we started our own network to air the extra conference games.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 4:05 pm to teke184
quote:
teke184
Is there any chance SEC schools vote against expansion?
quote:
Will the presidents vote on a deal that costs member schools money in the short term, with the promise that a new TV deal is on the horizon?
TV money isn't everything. Having a foothold in Texas is great for recruiting.
In the case of schools like Tennessee which have to recruit nationwide because of the lack of homegrown talent, having an "in" to recruiting in East Texas helps take pressure off of their national recruiting budget.
The last 5 SEC National titles.. I'm not sure how much the talent argument helps the SEC.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 4:09 pm to Latarian
I don't think there's anyway this got this far along w/o prior agreement on this. That would just be flat out dumb if so. But hey, dumb shite happens everyday so who knows.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 4:13 pm to SunHog
quote:
The last 5 SEC National titles.. I'm not sure how much the talent argument helps the SEC.
Texas is the fastest-growing state in the US and is the state where football trumps everything else.
You don't give up a shot at having a better "in" at recruiting from a state like that, such as a guarantee you'll play games in that state every two years like most SEC West teams will have.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 4:21 pm to teke184
quote:
teke184
Is there any chance SEC schools vote against expansion?
quote:
The last 5 SEC National titles.. I'm not sure how much the talent argument helps the SEC.
Texas is the fastest-growing state in the US and is the state where football trumps everything else.
You don't give up a shot at having a better "in" at recruiting from a state like that, such as a guarantee you'll play games in that state every two years like most SEC West teams will have.
Arkansas can't wait to get back into Texas. You are however totally discounting the SouthEast Talent that won 5 BCS titles.
Not to mention every team can only sign 25.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 4:23 pm to teke184
I think they will keep it the same if they can not find a good quality 14th member.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 5:04 pm to HawgAlude
Don't kill any brain cells over A&M.
SEC would add the following population based markets to their case:
#4 Houston
#5 combined Dallas -FtWorth
#7 San Antonio (often overlooked)
Throw in #14 Austin for grins.
That alone would give me grounds to renegotiate a TV deal!
SEC would add the following population based markets to their case:
#4 Houston
#5 combined Dallas -FtWorth
#7 San Antonio (often overlooked)
Throw in #14 Austin for grins.
That alone would give me grounds to renegotiate a TV deal!
Posted on 8/29/11 at 7:22 pm to Tigerntx
I got a letter from LSU today asking for money. I'm thinking of writing saying I'll give if you LSU votes against Aggie.
I think it's good news if Vandy, UK, Ole Piss, and Miss State are against expansion. I also don't see LSU benefitting from expansion as well.
Bigger is not always better. The SEC is the best at football as is, I see no reason to add Aggie.
I think it's good news if Vandy, UK, Ole Piss, and Miss State are against expansion. I also don't see LSU benefitting from expansion as well.
Bigger is not always better. The SEC is the best at football as is, I see no reason to add Aggie.
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