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Posted on 8/13/11 at 11:45 am to PRK
FSU brings nothing new to the TV markets which would make it more difficult to renegotiate with the ESPN's of the world for more bucks
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Posted on 8/13/11 at 11:48 am to RollTideTA
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then what are you afraid of?
I don't think anyone is afraid. Why add a school that adds nothing to the SEC? The SEC is dominating the nation, why bring in a second rate program with a third rate fan base?
Posted on 8/13/11 at 11:52 am to RollTideTA
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Plus if their fans and program (talking about FSU now) are so crappy... then what are you afraid of?
FSU's been stealing athletes from the SEC for awhile. I don't like splitting up money with schools that don't bring enough revenue.
Wonder how their baseball team will do in the SEC too.
Posted on 8/13/11 at 11:54 am to bona fide
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I don't think anyone is afraid. Why add a school that adds nothing to the SEC? The SEC is dominating the nation, why bring in a second rate program with a third rate fan base?
Maybe because they are a nationally recognized football program with a national following.
Maybe these fans would start watching all the OTHER SEC conference games if they were in the conference as well?
I mean people are thinking about this all wrong, Mizzou is cool and all, but the impact of FSU's national following is going to be a much more solid gain than the simple St. Louis / KC footprint market.
And don't forget they are about as southeast as it gets.
Posted on 8/13/11 at 11:58 am to RollTideTA
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but the impact of FSU's national following
Let me say this one more time, FSU does not have a large or passionate fan base. They barely show up in their own state for a BCS bowl game.
National following? Haha
Posted on 8/13/11 at 12:06 pm to bona fide
Retail sales of their merchandise and viewership of their big games says otherwise.
Look, I'm just trying to help you understand what Slive is doing. But if you know better call him up man
EDIT Here is some evidence for you:
Look, I'm just trying to help you understand what Slive is doing. But if you know better call him up man
EDIT Here is some evidence for you:
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HIGHEST-RATED BCS GAMES
2006 Rose: Texas-USC, 21.7
2001 Orange: Oklahoma-Florida State, 17.8
2000 Sugar: Florida State-Virginia Tech, 17.5
2007 NCG; Florida-Ohio State, 17.4
2003 Fiesta: Ohio State-Miami, 17.2
1999 Fiesta: Tennessee-Florida State, 17.2
2010 NCG: Alabama-Texas, 17.17
This post was edited on 8/13/11 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 8/13/11 at 12:10 pm to RollTideTA
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Retail sales of their merchandise and viewership of their big games says otherwise.
Based on this, Missouri has higher retail sales. The only FSU game that ever would get big national viewership (outside UF) was FSU-Miami when they would play on a Labor Day Monday and there would be no other competition for viewers. That doesn't happen anymore.
This post was edited on 8/13/11 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 8/13/11 at 12:13 pm to 1LoudTideFan
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FSU is addition by subtraction
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Why is this so hard for people to understand? You take the entire state of Florida market and leave a weak Miami footprint for the ACC
I don't think you understand what addition by subtraction actually means.
Posted on 8/13/11 at 12:13 pm to RollTideTA
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Retail sales of their merchandise and viewership of their big games says otherwise.
They're 22nd. Should be higher.
Posted on 8/13/11 at 12:17 pm to bgator85
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Based on this, Missouri has higher retail sales. The only FSU game that ever would get big national viewership (outside UF) was FSU-Miami when they would play on a Labor Day Monday and there would be no other competition for viewers. That doesn't happen anymore.
You just proved my point about retail sales. They are listed as #19 and this was compiled during down years. 19 is higher than several current SEC schools and a whopping ONE SPOT lower than Mizzou at 18... here is the full list:
The top 25:
1. Texas,
2. Alabama,
3. Florida,
4. LSU,
5. North Carolina,
6. Georgia,
7. Michigan,
8. Kentucky,
9. Penn State,
10. Oklahoma,
11. Notre Dame,
12. Tennessee,
13. West Virginia,
14. Nebraska,
15. Auburn,
16. Wisconsin,
17. Kansas,
18. Missouri,
19. Florida State,
20. Arkansas,
21. Texas A&M,
22. Illinois,
23. South Carolina,
24. Texas Tech,
25. Clemson.
This post was edited on 8/13/11 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 8/13/11 at 12:20 pm to RollTideTA
Take a team like FSU and give them good quality opponents to play and you get lots of viewers everyone knows its true, I don't know why you guys keep denying it.
Posted on 8/13/11 at 12:26 pm to RollTideTA
Maybe, but it still doesn't add TV's in the SEC's base which is what will be important come TV renegotiation. Adding Texas plus the possibility of Kansas City and St. Louis is potentially a lot more lucrative then adding a second school to a state that the SEC already controls with the flagship university.
Posted on 8/13/11 at 12:30 pm to RollTideTA
People all over the nation recognize Seminole football. Mizzou is the definition of "nameless/faceless, no interest" football program. What good does it do to bring in a bigger TV market if none of that market is going to watch the games?
Mizzou is at a high right now because they compete/competed in the broke-dick Big 12-2 North. (I realize there are no divisions anymore). How much interest will there be in the Mizzou program in those KC/StL markets when the go 2-8 or 3-7 every year in the SEC West?
Mizzou is at a high right now because they compete/competed in the broke-dick Big 12-2 North. (I realize there are no divisions anymore). How much interest will there be in the Mizzou program in those KC/StL markets when the go 2-8 or 3-7 every year in the SEC West?
Posted on 8/13/11 at 12:31 pm to bgator85
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I am not sure adding FSU means much TV wise, UF delivers every Florida market as it is.
This. Adding FSU adds little or no tv market IMHO. The SEC should be thinking about Missouri which would add both St. Louis and Kansas City markets. Also, Missouri borders 3 SEC states, Kentucky, Tennessee and Arkansas. If they want to add tv markets in the East, I would suggest VT or maybe one of the North Carolina schools. If they want to expand to 16 teams, ideally it would be A&M, Missouri, VT and N.C. St. in terms of tv markets.
Posted on 8/13/11 at 12:39 pm to bgator85
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Maybe, but it still doesn't add TV's in the SEC's base which is what will be important come TV renegotiation. Adding Texas plus the possibility of Kansas City and St. Louis is potentially a lot more lucrative then adding a second school to a state that the SEC already controls with the flagship university.
People tend to over simplify the contract negotiations, especially sports writers.
The footprint geographically of the viewers that live right around a school is only part of the equation. Being able to say you are opening your advertisers products to a new little area is a big part of it, but at the end of the day projected viewership based on previous ratings is what it is all about.
Posted on 8/13/11 at 12:48 pm to bgator85
Not sure why everyone is so concerned about tv markets. It doesn't matter when 90% of the SEC's games are shown nationally already. People in Texas and Virginia and Carolina already get CBS and ESPN. We aren't the big 10 and we don't have our own network that charges by the TV sets in a footprint.
What the SEC needs is a school that adds to the SEC 'greatest conference' brand and provides ranked matchups and nationally important games, so people that already have access to the SEC tune in. FSU is perfect for that, they are on the rise and they generate a lot of tv interest when they are good. CBS likely cares not about the market when a game like FSU-Bama would be in the top 10 most viewed games every year.
What the SEC needs is a school that adds to the SEC 'greatest conference' brand and provides ranked matchups and nationally important games, so people that already have access to the SEC tune in. FSU is perfect for that, they are on the rise and they generate a lot of tv interest when they are good. CBS likely cares not about the market when a game like FSU-Bama would be in the top 10 most viewed games every year.
This post was edited on 8/13/11 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 8/13/11 at 12:50 pm to RollTideTA
Missouri or any other non-SEC state expands the footprint. Where is FSU going to draw more viewers outside of the south that the SEC doesn't already deliver? I don't see how adding FSU enhances the SEC. If we are going to expand, might as well actually expand outside what we already have.
Posted on 8/13/11 at 12:50 pm to RollTideTA
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The footprint geographically of the viewers that live right around a school is only part of the equation. Being able to say you are opening your advertisers products to a new little area is a big part of it, but at the end of the day projected viewership based on previous ratings is what it is all about.
I think you are missing the point of adding a completely new tv market. Example: say, Florida plays Missouri. There's no doubt you just added the St. Louis and Kansas City tv markets to your viewership. Now replace Florida with FSU and you have added little or no additional viewers. The obvious reason is you already have most of the state of Florida viewers having UF. Clearly adding Missouri rather than FSU adds more total viewers because the UF and FSU viewers overlap to a large extent.
Posted on 8/13/11 at 12:57 pm to davesdawgs
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I think you are missing the point of adding a completely new tv market. Example: say, Florida plays Missouri. There's no doubt you just added the St. Louis and Kansas City tv markets to your viewership. Now replace Florida with FSU and you have added little or no additional viewers. The obvious reason is you already have most of the state of Florida viewers having UF. Clearly adding Missouri rather than FSU adds more total viewers because the UF and FSU viewers overlap to a large extent.
No, in all due respect you are missing or refusing the acknowledge my point. RATINGS. In the end... its all about RATINGS. Who do you think gets the SEC better television ratings over a season... Mizzou going 5-7 or worse or a competitive FSU team that is already a natural rival to half the teams in the east....
I think you know the answer you just don't want another powerhouse to develop to compete against in the east. So keep ignoring what I have shown with ratings and retail sales facts and keep clamoring for UNC or Duke or whoever doesn't mess up your little sandbox
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