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re: Congrats to the Aggies - official Dr D eats crow thread

Posted on 8/12/11 at 3:34 pm to
Posted by Philosoraptor
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Posted on 8/12/11 at 3:34 pm to
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That is not true. Texas in the end will not get bank. Their Longhorn Network Contract will all be adjusted because they will be left out in the cold and without a Conference that wants their greed/bullying. Texas is not ND.


I'm pretty sure they have some kind of stipulations in their contract with ESPN regarding changes in conferences or independence.

LHN is gonna fail so hard.

What are they going to broadcast 24 hours a day?
Posted by Zamoro10
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 8/12/11 at 3:42 pm to
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In the long run Texas will become irrelevant outside looking in at the 4-5 large power Conferences that control everything.


I don't think we're talking about the same school.

I'm out; carry on.
Posted by Dr Drunkenstein
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Posted on 8/12/11 at 3:44 pm to
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I don't think its as simple as you make it... Decisions like that aren't made on a whim... Aggie lawyers have A LOT in their back pocket and will be contending that they will not pay full exit fees. Looks like mediation or law suit ahead against Beebe and Big 12 for failing to honor fiduciary duties to Big 12 members.


This will get ugggggggggggly. Going to court fo sho. Going to be rough on a university that had to abandon on-campus toilet paper because of finances.
Posted by Philosoraptor
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Posted on 8/12/11 at 3:48 pm to
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Going to be rough on a university that had to abandon on-campus toilet paper because of finances.


Buuurrrn!

Posted by Dr Drunkenstein
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Posted on 8/12/11 at 3:54 pm to
The more I think about this, I have to admit I expecting some politicians to get heavily involved and to get aggie to tap the breaks.

You just don't screw with authority like this. "Ho, you want to meet on Tuesday to discuss this, well, we'll meet and finish it up on Monday! Take that politicians!" This is kind of tacky. It is like finding out you have a warrant for your arrest and moving out of state before your court date.

Politicians LOVE to be the center of attention. One of them is going to make a huge deal out of this.
Posted by RedHawk
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Posted on 8/12/11 at 3:59 pm to
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The more I think about this, I have to admit I expecting some politicians to get heavily involved and to get aggie to tap the breaks.

You just don't screw with authority like this. "Ho, you want to meet on Tuesday to discuss this, well, we'll meet and finish it up on Monday! Take that politicians!" This is kind of tacky. It is like finding out you have a warrant for your arrest and moving out of state before your court date.

Politicians LOVE to be the center of attention. One of them is going to make a huge deal out of this.


So Texas doesn't like it when another university is calling the shots.
This post was edited on 8/12/11 at 4:00 pm
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 8/12/11 at 4:02 pm to
i would lol if the sec took ou and okie state and left a&m out in the cold.
Posted by EmperorGout
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Posted on 8/12/11 at 4:08 pm to
Why in the world would the SEC want Okie fin State over A&M?
Posted by Dr Drunkenstein
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Posted on 8/12/11 at 4:09 pm to
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So Texas doesn't like it when another university is calling the shots.


This isn't another university calling the shots. This is a university doing an end-run around the authority of the higher education committee of the state legislature. This is going to get a lot more interesting.
Posted by Ball Gravy
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 8/12/11 at 4:14 pm to
Dr. D... It's not quite as rogue as you make it out to be.

There's a case here for A&M that justifies their move on many levels.

It will be presented.... as an SEC member-to-be.
Posted by Dr Drunkenstein
Washington DC
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 8/12/11 at 4:20 pm to
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Dr. D... It's not quite as rogue as you make it out to be.


This whole thing is weird. First you and every other aggies poster hit me with the "politics won't be an issue this time" argument. I disagree, then man up and admit I was wrong this morning after seeing the aggie rivals page say it is a 100% done deal.

Then, the politics which are supposed to not be an issue, raise their ugly head when the legislative committee for higher education announces a Tuesday
meeting to discuss a move which is supposed to be a done deal. Then aggie decide to usurp the authority of the legislature by moving their process up to conclude on Monday. Wow. I have never seen or heard of anything like this in the history of college football, have you?

I have no inside sources but I have to think that those committee members who were given the collective frick you by a&m are super pissed right now and looking into what they can do to put the breaks on things.
Posted by Ball Gravy
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 8/12/11 at 4:40 pm to
No I don't believe this has ever happened before, but I'm wondering if it was a symbolic frick you to Dodds/Baylor for even setting up the meeting.

I do know for a fact that Loftin/Byrne/Dodds had some four letter words for each other very recently.
Posted by Ball Gravy
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2008
2985 posts
Posted on 8/12/11 at 4:41 pm to
Regardless, 11/24/11 will be absolutely hate filled.

Posted by jacks40
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
11877 posts
Posted on 8/12/11 at 4:49 pm to
So who in the Texas legislature wants to put the kibosh on this now and why?

UT guys who fear A&M leaving for some reason?

Baylor/Tech guys who don't want the Big 12 to collapse and be left behind?

Does having a A&M governor have any effect?
Posted by GerryDiNardo
Bringing Back The Magic!
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 8/12/11 at 4:51 pm to
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Then, the politics which are supposed to not be an issue, raise their ugly head when the legislative committee for higher education announces a Tuesday
meeting to discuss a move which is supposed to be a done deal. Then aggie decide to usurp the authority of the legislature by moving their process up to conclude on Monday. Wow. I have never seen or heard of anything like this in the history of college football, have you?


In order to "usurp" authority, someone has to have authority to begin with. The calling of the legislative committee for higher education was done so at the request of Texas and/or Baylor interests (which in the case of Baylor is extremely laughable as they're not even a public university). Since the legislature is not in session, this committee could do NOTHING but throw mud, which had to be the plan.

A&M basically showed that the committee has no authority by moving up their meeting. I'm sure they too were under the impression that the meeting was merely a dog and pony show meant to show the university in a negative light perpetrated by their main rivals who stand to lose the most from them making a jump.

The key, however, is that this committee could do nothing. I know Chip Brown doesn't want to admit it, but that is the case. A&M just put the posturing to bed and Texas has no cards left to play. It's over.
This post was edited on 8/12/11 at 4:52 pm
Posted by jacks40
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 8/12/11 at 4:59 pm to
Just read somewhere the Texas AD said "It looks like they are gone"

Is that new info?
This post was edited on 8/12/11 at 5:00 pm
Posted by Dr Drunkenstein
Washington DC
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 8/12/11 at 5:01 pm to
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In order to "usurp" authority, someone has to have authority to begin with.


I posted this earlier in this thread

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"Committee chairman Dan Branch, R-Dallas, also called a hearing last year when it appeared the Big 12 could break up with Texas and Texas Tech headed to the Pac-10 and Texas A&M headed to the SEC. But the Big 12 came together before the scheduled hearing. Just got off the phone with Branch about what he wants to get out of the hearing with Texas A&M officials. "We want to be in position to have a discussion about a potential move to a new athletic conference for one of our major universities - that it’s in the best interest of the state of Texas," Branch said. "There’s a lot of resources in play. These athletic programs have a lot of dollars involved with the TV contracts and the funding that comes from a particular conference. So we want to make sure if there was a decision to go a different direction at Texas A&M, it’s the regents’ job to make sure this is in the best interest of Texas A&M as one university in that system. And it’s the Legislature’s job to make sure it’s in the best interest in the state of Texas." I asked Branch if the committee found that such a move wasn't in the best interest of Texas, what could the Legislature do about it? "Ultimately, these are public institutions," Branch said. "The Legislature is responsible for funding and directing the ultimate policy of our public institutions. "So I think it’s important that the Legislature be advised. And so I want to create an opportunity on a timely basis to give the members of the House of Representatives the opportunity to ask questions and make sure they felt like this was in the best interest of the state of Texas. "There’s an argument that going to the SEC would be a good thing so that Texas’ biggest schools would have a footprint in two major conferences, so I’m going into this with an open mind. But it seems to me it’s the regents’ responsibility to do what’s in the best interest of Texas A&M as the flagship of that system. And it’s the Legislature’s responsibility to make sure it’s in the best interest of the state of Texas." Branch said there are really two points of interest that are critical to the state's view of a possible move by Texas A&M to the SEC. "Part of that goes to you don’t want another major conference coming undone by the action of one," Branch said. "So there’s two parts to this. One, is this a good move for Texas A&M? "And, more importantly, from our vantage point would there be a negative consequence to the University of Texas or Texas Tech University and even our private schools like Baylor ? what effect it could have on them?"
Posted by jacks40
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
11877 posts
Posted on 8/12/11 at 5:20 pm to
That doesn't really mean they have authority. Technically I don't believe they have any GIVEN authority, legislative or otherwise to determine which conference a school plays collegiate athletics.

Their authority is over the budget, and yes they can use that to punish schools for not doing what they want but that isn't authority
Posted by GerryDiNardo
Bringing Back The Magic!
Member since Mar 2004
5774 posts
Posted on 8/12/11 at 6:08 pm to
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it’s the regents’ job to make sure this is in the best interest of Texas A&M as one university in that system. And it’s the Legislature’s job to make sure it’s in the best interest in the state of Texas.


... and as I've said in this thread they must sit on their hands until 2013, after an election cycle no less. That's not authority. That bit you posted from Chip Brown was Texas playing their last card..
Posted by Dr Drunkenstein
Washington DC
Member since May 2009
2918 posts
Posted on 8/12/11 at 7:48 pm to
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... and as I've said in this thread they must sit on their hands until 2013


If there is a zero % chance that the legislature could cause any problems for A&M, why did they rush & move up their BOR meeting to Monday?
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