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re: Conference Cohesion - Cross Divisional opponents
Posted on 8/16/11 at 5:11 pm to TheCheshireHog
Posted on 8/16/11 at 5:11 pm to TheCheshireHog
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See we come from a conference where we actually played everyone in the league in one season.
Can you imagine how "good" we, A&M, and Texas could have looked on paper, had we not had to play one another EVERY year, and without a conference championship game? It would have sucked.
Posted on 8/16/11 at 5:16 pm to Porky
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I can see the monetary advantages for A&M...but how would it benefit the conference in a monetary sense, conference wide?
Assuming a new TV deal would be negotiated, the amount of money from it could go up for everybody.
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I can't see it helping our recruiting as much as it would help A&M's within the state of Texas.
It would be very interesting to see what would happen. If we struggled right away, both Arkansas and LSU could benefit a great deal I think, but nobody will know for sure until it actually happens.
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I don't see it conflicting with traditional rivalries. We don't have any traditional conference rivalries anyway.
I said this more in reference to Bama-UT or Auburn-UGA possibly being broken up.
Posted on 8/16/11 at 5:34 pm to WoodlandsAg07
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Assuming a new TV deal would be negotiated, the amount of money from it could go up for everybody.
Possibly.
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It would be very interesting to see what would happen. If we struggled right away, both Arkansas and LSU could benefit a great deal I think, but nobody will know for sure until it actually happens.
I don't think it will be as much of a struggle for A&M as it was for Arkansas. When we left the SWC, our recruiting in Texas took a big hit. Since then, we have gradually been able to restore that somewhat and have been recruiting from a much larger area. It's not the same with A&M. I can see A&M's recruiting actually improving from a move, due to the large recruiting base. Arkansas didn't have that.
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I said this more in reference to Bama-UT or Auburn-UGA possibly being broken up.
That would depend upon how many teams, and to what division, would be added. Merely adding a team to the east and west shouldn't have that much effect.
wmr made a statement re: the expansion being similar to having 2 separate conferences. I can see that if we were to actually expand to 16 teams. With 14, it's taking a step in that direction.
This post was edited on 8/16/11 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 8/16/11 at 5:41 pm to TheCheshireHog
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See we come from a conference where we actually played everyone in the league in one season.
Here's an idea: gtfo
Posted on 8/16/11 at 5:48 pm to Tiger in Gatorland
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Here's an idea: gtfo
That's all in the past. I'm guilty as well for discussing it. It makes no difference today anyway. Don't be mad.
Posted on 8/16/11 at 6:00 pm to pdxlsufan
The only reason I mentioned Vandy is because we've played them fewer times than we have played any other SEC team since we joined. KY, too.
It has nothing to do with wanting to play Vandy more. Its just an observation about how infrequently we have still played some SEC East teams. Insert Georgia or whoever. That's why I also included the teams Carolina has played the fewest times since joining.
You missed the point waaaay back up at the OP.
This post was edited on 8/16/11 at 6:03 pm
Posted on 8/16/11 at 6:09 pm to wmr
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You missed the point waaaay back up at the OP.
Your thread was going nowhere until I gave it some context and broadened the discussion.
And this is the thanks I get.
This post was edited on 8/16/11 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 8/16/11 at 6:11 pm to pdxlsufan
Thanks for making my thread go somewhere.
Posted on 8/16/11 at 6:19 pm to wmr
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Thanks for making my thread go somewhere.
You're welcome.
Now if only we could go back to a 6 game schedule so we wouldn't have to play Arkansas every year.
Posted on 8/16/11 at 6:25 pm to Porky
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The reason I'm reluctant to be in favor for expanding the SEC is this:
What advantage is it for the SEC to expand?
Nothing against A&M...I just don't see it being a real advantage for us. How does a crisis for A&M warrant an emergency solution for them on our part?
Think of this. The super conference scenerio is going to happen sooner or later. If the SEC acts first they get to pick from the cream of the crop. If we wait we have to pick through the leftovers. I know there are a lot of schools out there, but when you look at TV market ($$$$), stadium size, ability to compete on the level the average SEC schools year in and year out and it would be nice for the school to be somewhat in the south. Not only for the fact that we are a "southern" conference but the closer to the rest of the schools the light the travel budget. For football it's worth the money to go just about anywhere but what about swimming and tennis and the sports no one really cares about, like basketball for instance. Come to think of it we should just shite can basketball but that is another thread for another time. Anyways when you look at it like that your schools of choice are few and far between.
This post was edited on 8/16/11 at 6:27 pm
Posted on 8/16/11 at 6:37 pm to HooDooWitch
I don't think Superconferences are as close as some seem to think.
The Pac-12 and B1G are playing their first CCGs this season.
It took them 20 years to follow the SEC model.
If/when someone else expands, A&M is ours.
We don't need to be the ones to start the dominoes, though. Why would the SEC take that risk?
Why risk moving to 14 when the risk is that nothing else happens, the Big 12 stays at 9, and the networks give them equal props in order to make CFB nationally relevant?
If the Pac12 moves on the Big 12, then A&M is ours.
If the B1G moves on Mizzou, then A&M is ours.
There's no need to be proactive here with regards to A&M. They will want SEC no matter what else happens. Let it start with someone else.
The Pac-12 and B1G are playing their first CCGs this season.
It took them 20 years to follow the SEC model.
If/when someone else expands, A&M is ours.
We don't need to be the ones to start the dominoes, though. Why would the SEC take that risk?
Why risk moving to 14 when the risk is that nothing else happens, the Big 12 stays at 9, and the networks give them equal props in order to make CFB nationally relevant?
If the Pac12 moves on the Big 12, then A&M is ours.
If the B1G moves on Mizzou, then A&M is ours.
There's no need to be proactive here with regards to A&M. They will want SEC no matter what else happens. Let it start with someone else.
Posted on 8/16/11 at 6:41 pm to HooDooWitch
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Think of this. The super conference scenerio is going to happen sooner or later.
I'm not yet convinced of this, though I can see it being a method for much larger television contracts and a means to approach something similar to a playoff, with more equality re: the division of potentially generated profits.
Posted on 8/16/11 at 6:42 pm to wmr
For 16 teams, I'd do it like this:
Ok so each conference has two divisions of 8 teams. Each team plays round robin within their division for 7 games. At the end of this, all teams are ranked 1-8 within their division. Teams 1 and 2 play teams in the opposite division in a 4 team playoff. So in division A and B, team 1A plays 2B, and team 1B plays 2A. Winner of that game meets for the conference championship; meaning the game could have participants from the same division. Also the losers of the 1st rd play to establish 3rd and 4th place in the conference.
This would happen for every 2 places within the division (1A, 2A, 1B, 2B) (3A, 4A, 3B, 4B) (5A, 6A, 5B, 6B) (7A, 8A, 7B, 8B) so that is 9 in conference games. The 3 remaining games are viewed as non conference whether they are played across conference or not. (Basically prevents teams from being penalized for playing a tough schedule or having a traditional opponent in the other division they would like to continue to play)
Then you have a 4 team playoff with each conference winner moving on. The rest of the teams play in traditional bowl games.
No more BCS, polls won't mean shite. Pull the plug on computers. Settled on the field.
Ok so each conference has two divisions of 8 teams. Each team plays round robin within their division for 7 games. At the end of this, all teams are ranked 1-8 within their division. Teams 1 and 2 play teams in the opposite division in a 4 team playoff. So in division A and B, team 1A plays 2B, and team 1B plays 2A. Winner of that game meets for the conference championship; meaning the game could have participants from the same division. Also the losers of the 1st rd play to establish 3rd and 4th place in the conference.
This would happen for every 2 places within the division (1A, 2A, 1B, 2B) (3A, 4A, 3B, 4B) (5A, 6A, 5B, 6B) (7A, 8A, 7B, 8B) so that is 9 in conference games. The 3 remaining games are viewed as non conference whether they are played across conference or not. (Basically prevents teams from being penalized for playing a tough schedule or having a traditional opponent in the other division they would like to continue to play)
Then you have a 4 team playoff with each conference winner moving on. The rest of the teams play in traditional bowl games.
No more BCS, polls won't mean shite. Pull the plug on computers. Settled on the field.
Posted on 8/16/11 at 6:42 pm to wmr
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There's no need to be proactive here with regards to A&M. They will want SEC no matter what else happens. Let it start with someone else.
I hear you brother but aTm is one school and you still want to balance what ever happens in the east as well. Also I'm a little bit of an anarchist so this shite gets me excited. Just kidding, lol. My hopes is that more change that happens the better the chance of a playoff system emerging.
Posted on 8/16/11 at 6:46 pm to Porky
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I'm not yet convinced of this, though I can see it being a method for much larger television contracts and a means to approach something similar to a playoff, with more equality re: the division of potentially generated profits.
Magic word right there! It is the definition of Insanity---doing the same thing every time and expecting a different outcome.
I like it because it forces change.
Posted on 8/16/11 at 7:14 pm to HooDooWitch
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Magic word right there! It is the definition of Insanity---doing the same thing every time and expecting a different outcome.
It is a definition in regard to leading to insanity.
Change IS a good thing, but only if it facilitates improvement. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I just don't necessarily think it's needed at this point.
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I like it because it forces change.
It forces us to change. Is it REALLY needed? I just don't see the benefits of acting without assessing all potential ramifications. That's part of Mike Slive's job...to assess the needs of the conference and to act in it's best interest. The RIGHT kind of change is what's important, if changes need to be made.
I'll have to trust him on this one.
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