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re: Big 12 in better shape than we think?
Posted on 6/12/10 at 11:41 am to Cabby
Posted on 6/12/10 at 11:41 am to Cabby
quote:And you can't. So frick off.
Look you can throw all the numbers you want out there.
quote:I did. One group has a winning record against another group, mostly on the 2nd group's home field. That group, therefore, is probably better.
Your argument would hold water if you were speaking within a conference or comparing wins against each other.
This post was edited on 6/12/10 at 11:43 am
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Posted on 6/12/10 at 11:42 am to Cabby
The only reason he keeps going back to head to head is because thats the only leg he has to stand on. He wont acknowledge if you put these teams in a major conference they would get rocked and he knows it.
I am still waiting for you take some of these so called "superior" teams and stack them up against the schedule I outlined on page 2. Take a handful of your new teams and give me a breakdown of wins and losses. See what you come up with?
I am still waiting for you take some of these so called "superior" teams and stack them up against the schedule I outlined on page 2. Take a handful of your new teams and give me a breakdown of wins and losses. See what you come up with?
Posted on 6/12/10 at 11:43 am to bullard21k
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The only reason he keeps going back to head to head is because thats the only leg he has to stand on.
Like that's a weak argument. They've played straight up 11 times, and most of them have been on Big 12 fields. The Little 12 has won the majority of the games.
quote:No, see what YOU come up with. I've made my argument--now it's your turn to make yours. Go ahead--you're good at math.
I am still waiting for you take some of these so called "superior" teams and stack them up against the schedule I outlined on page 2. Take a handful of your new teams and give me a breakdown of wins and losses. See what you come up with?
This post was edited on 6/12/10 at 11:45 am
Posted on 6/12/10 at 11:49 am to xiv
Man this is like arguing with a 5 year old.
Insults and foul language....kind of acting like a 5 year old as well when he cant get everyone to agree with him and throws a tantrum.
I want you to break down the schedule because I think you would be surprised when you actually look at the schedule game by game and then realized that those teams would struggle in a major conference.
Rice, SMU, UCF, UAB, Memphis, Marshall, Tulane....good grief with 6 automatic wins against these cream puffs how could someone NOT win 8 or 9 games a season?
Insults and foul language....kind of acting like a 5 year old as well when he cant get everyone to agree with him and throws a tantrum.
I want you to break down the schedule because I think you would be surprised when you actually look at the schedule game by game and then realized that those teams would struggle in a major conference.
Rice, SMU, UCF, UAB, Memphis, Marshall, Tulane....good grief with 6 automatic wins against these cream puffs how could someone NOT win 8 or 9 games a season?
This post was edited on 6/12/10 at 11:51 am
Posted on 6/12/10 at 11:51 am to xiv
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And you can't. So frick off.
Posted on 6/12/10 at 11:56 am to bullard21k
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Man this is like arguing with a 5 year old.
This, he doesn't understand the difference between winning and winning against the best! The schools he is talking about are like the white top of chicken shite, the problem is that it is still shite! Here hoping to see you Aggies in the SEC next year!
Posted on 6/12/10 at 11:56 am to bullard21k
quote:You show me. I'm not doing your work for you. I already did mine.
I want you to break down the schedule because I think you would be surprised when you actually look at the schedule game by game and then realized that those teams would struggle in a major conference.
quote:Little 12: 6
Rice, SMU, UCF, UAB, Memphis, Marshall, Tulane....good grief with 6 automatic wins against these cream puffs how could someone NOT win 8 or 9 games a season?
Big 12: 5
Show me your numbers.
Posted on 6/12/10 at 11:56 am to bullard21k
quote:
Man this is like arguing with a 5 year old.
Worse yet, a 5 year old New Yorker.
Posted on 6/12/10 at 11:57 am to Cabby
quote:My seven proposed newbies are 6-5 vs. the departing Big 12 teams, and they have a 28-22 record vs. BCS teams in the past four years.
This, he doesn't understand the difference between winning and winning against the best!
Sounds like you can't count.
Posted on 6/12/10 at 11:58 am to COTiger
quote:Or West Monrovian. Some of us move out of our hometowns once in a while.
Worse yet, a 5 year old New Yorker.
Posted on 6/12/10 at 12:03 pm to xiv
quote:
West Monrovian.
I would rather you be from New York, at least it would explain your lack of understanding of what we are trying to explain to you!Posted on 6/12/10 at 12:08 pm to Cabby
Cabby, here's everything you've put in this thread so far:
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That is one shitty conference! No way they keep their automatic bid for long!
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You are high! There is not a team listed above that could consistently compete year end and year out in the SEC! It's easy to win games against shitty teams in a shitty conference! So now you GTFO, PIIHisB and
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Look you can throw all the numbers you want out there. You are comparing apples to oranges and the only way you can compare wins is if the teams being compared play the same teams. Your argument would hold water if you were speaking within a conference or comparing wins against each other. If you look at just straight numbers then a Boise State 13-0 is equal to Bama 13-0? It may be my opinion but I feel that a 13-0 Bama had a much harder road and is 10 times more impressive, and I would say that anyone who knows and watches College football would agree with me! So take you calculator and your stats and have fun while the big boys play football.
quote:
This, he doesn't understand the difference between winning and winning against the best! The schools he is talking about are like the white top of chicken shite, the problem is that it is still shite! Here hoping to see you Aggies in the SEC next year!
quote:Two questions: What is your argument? Can you provide any evidence that supports your argument?
I would rather you be from New York, at least it would explain your lack of understanding of what we are trying to explain to you!
Posted on 6/12/10 at 12:14 pm to xiv
Your a frickin idiot if you cant grasp that teams like Boise state and TCU would never go undefeated in a real conference.
Posted on 6/12/10 at 12:20 pm to xiv
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Wouldn't they lose their conference status with the NCAA if they have less than 6 "long time" members?
Hmm. Interesting question. Do you have a link to a rule of which I'm unaware?
I've just heard it quoted. I haven't bothered looking up the actual bylaw.
Posted on 6/12/10 at 12:21 pm to xiv
xiv, how can you compare teams with numbers when they don't play the same teams? Is this hard for you to understand?
Big 12 East - SEC East
Baylor - UF
Houston - UT
Iowa State - USCe
Missouri - UK
TCU - UGA
Tulsa - Vandy
Big 12 West - SEC West
Air Force - Bama
Boise State - LSU
Brigham Young - Auburn
Kansas - Arkansas
Kansas State - Ole Miss
Utah - Miss St
I just listed the SEC teams next to the teams in your OP and does not represent where they rank in my opinion. Now look at the teams and tell me that it is even remotely comparable?
If you believe a undefeated Big 12 team is better than or equal to a undefeated SEC team as listed above better than I believe this thread is dead!
Big 12 East - SEC East
Baylor - UF
Houston - UT
Iowa State - USCe
Missouri - UK
TCU - UGA
Tulsa - Vandy
Big 12 West - SEC West
Air Force - Bama
Boise State - LSU
Brigham Young - Auburn
Kansas - Arkansas
Kansas State - Ole Miss
Utah - Miss St
I just listed the SEC teams next to the teams in your OP and does not represent where they rank in my opinion. Now look at the teams and tell me that it is even remotely comparable?
If you believe a undefeated Big 12 team is better than or equal to a undefeated SEC team as listed above better than I believe this thread is dead!
This post was edited on 6/12/10 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 6/12/10 at 12:23 pm to 7thWardTiger
quote:I can't tell whether you're agreeing with me or using a double negative.
Your a frickin idiot if you cant grasp that teams like Boise state and TCU would never go undefeated in a real conference.
Posted on 6/12/10 at 12:26 pm to Cabby
quote:You know these two groups have played each other 11 times in the past four years, right? Are you ignoring this on purpose?
xiv, how can you compare teams with numbers when they don't play the same teams? Is this hard for you to understand?
Show me some numbers--I'm sure you can find a LOT of evidence to back up your "theories."
quote:I've never said anything like this. SEC is king--we're not arguing that.
If you believe a undefeated Big 12 is better than or equal to a undefeated SEC team as listed above better than I believe this thread is dead!
But...my proposed Big 12 is better than the current Big 12 on the football field. I've provided beaucoup numbers to support my opinion. Your turn.
This post was edited on 6/12/10 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 6/12/10 at 12:52 pm to coldhotwings
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No conference with a service academy should ever have an automatic BCS bid.
This might be the dumbest comment of the day. Keep trying.
Posted on 6/12/10 at 12:56 pm to xiv
So you think if you replace
TCU, BYU, Utah, Houston, Air Force, Boise State and Tulsa for Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Nebraska, Texas Tech and Colorado and this makes the New Big 12 even comparable then I can't argue with you because you have zero knowledge of college football!
Oh, and before you get you stat book out comparing records of the above schools just remember TCU beating BYU, Utah, Houston, Air Force, Boise St and Tulsa is not equal to UT beating Oklahoma, A&M, Okla St, Nebraska, Texas Tech, and Colorado!
TCU, BYU, Utah, Houston, Air Force, Boise State and Tulsa for Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Nebraska, Texas Tech and Colorado and this makes the New Big 12 even comparable then I can't argue with you because you have zero knowledge of college football!
Oh, and before you get you stat book out comparing records of the above schools just remember TCU beating BYU, Utah, Houston, Air Force, Boise St and Tulsa is not equal to UT beating Oklahoma, A&M, Okla St, Nebraska, Texas Tech, and Colorado!
Posted on 6/12/10 at 12:56 pm to xiv
quote:
Excellent point. Lemme dig into my system. Give me 10 minutes or so.
I know you love the RPI, but you can't go purely on win pct. Can you share your method for getting those values?
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