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re: Auburn to the East

Posted on 10/5/11 at 12:50 pm to
Posted by Nuts4LSU
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Posted on 10/5/11 at 12:50 pm to
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Not saying that game didn't mean anything to you, but it's not the same as it would be for Tennessee to lose Alabama.


What Tennessee and Alabama fans seem to be saying here (and elsewhere) is that they'd rather keep their rivalry than expand the conference. If so, I don't disagree. I was happy at 12 teams, and I didn't think we needed to expand. But, for all the endlessly enumerated reasons, we, as a conference, did decide to expand. With that comes inevitable change, even to venerated traditions. It simply comes with the territory. We've made this bed, so it's time to lie in it. If that means giving up traditional rivalry games, then that's just the price we'll have to pay.

Even if they do manage to save that rivalry in a 14-team set-up, does anyone really doubt that we are moving to 16 in the fairly near future? At 16 teams, there is just no way we're going to be able to keep annual rivalries across divisions. Otherwise, we'll practically never be playing nearly half the other teams in our conference.

This is inevitable, notwithstanding some band-aid the Vols and Tide shove down everyone's throat right now. Sooner or later, y'all will simply have to accept it. Either be in the same division, or quit playing each other every year, will be the only realistic choices.
This post was edited on 10/5/11 at 12:52 pm
Posted by ohiovol
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 10/5/11 at 12:53 pm to
I don't think Vols fans would have a problem being in the same division as Alabama at all.

But most would rather just see Auburn go East.
This post was edited on 10/5/11 at 12:56 pm
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 10/5/11 at 12:53 pm to
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Where would you rank Florida among Auburn's rivals? Where would Florida fans rank Auburn?


Through most of my life, I would have:

2a UGA
2b UF

I really did not see much of a difference in those games in the 1980's. Dye seemed to put equal emphasis on both and we had pretty equal history between both. If we had not quit playing UF in 2002, UF would be 2nd only to UGA in the team we have played the most in our history and I would bet close to the same number of times bama/ut have played.

Florida was also the first of any of our rivals to start travelling to Jordan Hare to play us. There has always been a lot of mutal respect between the two. AU/UGA have shared a lot of coaches and players, but AU/UF have a long history too and the game has helped AU's recruiting efforts in the state of FL also.
Posted by Govt Tide
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Posted on 10/5/11 at 1:55 pm to
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Posted by Govt Tide
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 10/5/11 at 2:04 pm to
[quote]What Tennessee and Alabama fans seem to be saying here (and elsewhere) is that they'd rather keep their rivalry than expand the conference. If so, I don't disagree. I was happy at 12 teams, and I didn't think we needed to expand. But, for all the endlessly enumerated reasons, we, as a conference, did decide to expand. With that comes inevitable change, even to venerated traditions. It simply comes with the territory. We've made this bed, so it's time to lie in it. If that means giving up traditional rivalry games, then that's just the price we'll have to pay.

Even if they do manage to save that rivalry in a 14-team set-up, does anyone really doubt that we are moving to 16 in the fairly near future? At 16 teams, there is just no way we're going to be able to keep annual rivalries across divisions. Otherwise, we'll practically never be playing nearly half the other teams in our conference.

This is inevitable, notwithstanding some band-aid the Vols and Tide shove down everyone's throat right now. Sooner or later, y'all will simply have to accept it. Either be in the same division, or quit playing each other every year, will be the only realistic choices.[/quote]

That's easy for others to say but that scenario only screws over Tennessee/Alabama. People can argue semantics and say what's the big deal until they're blue in the face but you're asking UT to give up their only meaningful rivalry that just happens to be THE most significant and 2nd longest played historical rival (2nd if you want to argue Auburn/UGA) between the 2 winningest programs in the conference's history. It isn't like you're asking Arkansas and South Carolina fans to quit playing their game with each other and just shut and deal with it. It's the equivalent of BYU joining the Big 12 and other Big 12 members telling Texas and Oklahoma to get over losing the Red River Shootout.

I don't think a 16 team SEC is necessarily a given. At least I hope to heck it isn't. You think their is disagreement about alignment and scheduling right now, the s### will hit the fan when their schedule comes out in a 16 team league.
This post was edited on 10/5/11 at 2:07 pm
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 10/5/11 at 2:40 pm to
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That's easy for others to say but that scenario only screws over Tennessee/Alabama. People can argue semantics and say what's the big deal until they're blue in the face but you're asking UT to give up their only meaningful rivalry


They don't have to give it up. Just put both of them in the same division.

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happens to be THE most significant and 2nd longest played historical rival (2nd if you want to argue Auburn/UGA) between the 2 winningest programs in the conference's history.


Vanderbilt and Ole Miss used to be significant teams in the SEC, too. Alabama-Tennessee hasn't been that important in the conference championship picture for quite a while now.

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I don't think a 16 team SEC is necessarily a given. At least I hope to heck it isn't. You think their is disagreement about alignment and scheduling right now, the s### will hit the fan when their schedule comes out in a 16 team league.


You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either we stay at a manageable size (like 12) and continue to have our traditional rivalries across divisions, or we expand and they inevitably have to go. We've made that decision by expanding. I would have been happy to stay at 12 and let Bama and UT play each other to their hearts' content. But it wasn't my decision, and the decision has been made. It's just silly at this point after the die has been cast for teams to pout and stamp their feet about traditional rivalries when they (along with everyone else) just voted to throw tradition out the window and chase the money with expansion.

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It's the equivalent of BYU joining the Big 12 and other Big 12 members telling Texas and Oklahoma to get over losing the Red River Shootout.


No, it's not. The Big 12 wants to add teams just to get back to 12. And OU and Texas are in the same division. When the Big 12 was formed, they DID tell OU and Nebraska to give up their annual rivalry for the sake of the conference. That was a big deal, too. And no, ending that rivalry didn't have a damned thing to do with the collapse of the Big 12, so don't even go there.

It's not feasible to have 16, or even 14, teams and still preserve annual rivalries across divisions, unless you go to a 9-game schedule which nobody seems to want. If we only play the other teams in the other division twice every 12 years, then we're basically not even a conference any more, just two separate divisions.
This post was edited on 10/5/11 at 2:43 pm
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