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re: A&M formally announcing departure from Big 12. SEC application to follow.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:01 am to TIGERSandFROGS
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:01 am to TIGERSandFROGS
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you cannot have more games that the East is playing against the west than games the west is playing against the east
yes, you can - not forever. Not as a permanent situation. But for a few years, you can, you absolutely can.
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The number of games that the east and west have individually must be equal
I completely and 110% disagree. Will it be a little clunky in comparing Division wins and Conference wins to determine who goes to Atlanta? Maybe a bit - but there's some mathematical formula that will determine it. I assume that's what you're getting at
If anything, that is a minuscule, tiny itsy little problem, hell I wouldnt even classify it as a "problem" at all.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:07 am to Uncle Stu
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yes, you can - not forever. Not as a permanent situation. But for a few years, you can, you absolutely can.
Okay, how does it work then? Map out the cross division schedule for 7 west vs 6 east teams, with each west team playing 2 east games and each east team playing 3 west games.
You will see that it's impossible.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:21 am to TIGERSandFROGS
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how does it work then?
do I need to repost what I typed on the last page?
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You will see that it's impossible.
huh? Every team plays 8 conference games
somebody help me here, what basic math I am not getting across? Are you having some sort of home/away issue? Do you feel that if (for example) LSU plays at Kentucky in 2013 we MUST have Kentucky reciprocate that game in Tiger Stadium the next year? Because that's not the case at all. As long as everyone plays an equal amount of conference games, I couldnt give two shits about how the division/cross division games work out. It wont be an issue long enough for anyone to care
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:40 am to elpechis
Posted on 8/30/11 at 10:10 am to Bob Ag
I really think A&M will benefit from exposure with these other SEC schools. From an on-field standpoint definitely, and from a fan experience standpoint. We can learn how to tailgate on a "professional" level. It's time to broaden our horizons a little bit and learn from others who seem to be doing it all very well. 
Posted on 8/30/11 at 11:35 am to Uncle Stu
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huh? Every team plays 8 conference games
somebody help me here, what basic math I am not getting across? Are you having some sort of home/away issue? Do you feel that if (for example) LSU plays at Kentucky in 2013 we MUST have Kentucky reciprocate that game in Tiger Stadium the next year? Because that's not the case at all. As long as everyone plays an equal amount of conference games, I couldnt give two shits about how the division/cross division games work out. It wont be an issue long enough for anyone to care
Okay, every team plays 8 games. The west teams each have 6 intra-division games and 2 inter-division games. The east teams have 5 intra-division games and 3 inter-division games. That means that the west needs to play a total of 14 games against east teams, and east needs to play 18 games against west teams. Do you not see how that is impossible? Those numbers have to be equal.
Edit: typo corrected
This post was edited on 8/30/11 at 11:44 am
Posted on 8/30/11 at 11:48 am to TIGERSandFROGS
Let me ask it this way, which games are the east teams going play against the west teams, while the west doesn't play anybody?
I can't believe it's taking you this long to comprehend this... Where do you work? I want to know what business to avoid.
I can't believe it's taking you this long to comprehend this... Where do you work? I want to know what business to avoid.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 11:53 am to TIGERSandFROGS
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Those numbers have to be equal.
ah, I see your point and disagree 1000%
why would they have to be equal? Every SEC team gets to play 8 games against a conference opponent. It'll be a little divisional-heavy in the west, but oh well.
those numbers do not have to be equal in the short term. Scheduling may be a little more tricky, but that's what they pay people to do and bye-weeks should alleviate any of that problem. I'm sure we'll all lose some scheduled non-conference opponents along the way
Posted on 8/30/11 at 12:00 pm to TIGERSandFROGS
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while the west doesn't play anybody?
does anyone else reading this thread think there will be any problem whatsoever with short-term conference scheduling???
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I can't believe it's taking you this long to comprehend this
you're not making any sense - unless you firmly believe the SEC will have 13 teams for 20+ years. If that was the case, then yes, there is a problem.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 12:10 pm to Uncle Stu
They have to be equal because you are counting games between the two groups. If the numbers aren't equal, that means one group played a game against the other group in which group B didn't participate. I tried being nice, but i cant anymore . Youre a fricking moron.
Let me simplify it for the simpleton. Lets make it 3 teams and 2 teams. W1-W3 and E1 and E2.
W1 plays E1
W1 plays E2
W2 plays E1
W2 plays E2
W3 plays E1
W3 plays E2
Count the games up. The west as a whole plays in 6 games, the east plays in 6 games. Each of the 2 east teams has 3 cross games (6), each of the 3 west teams has 2 cross games (6).
Two groups interacting with each other separately 1 on 1 will always have an equal sum of interactions no matter how many interactions they have. You can either have teams in one division have fewer cross games than their other division members or you can have a football game involving 2 teams against 1.
I'm guessing you weren't too good at solving math problems in middle and high school...
Let me simplify it for the simpleton. Lets make it 3 teams and 2 teams. W1-W3 and E1 and E2.
W1 plays E1
W1 plays E2
W2 plays E1
W2 plays E2
W3 plays E1
W3 plays E2
Count the games up. The west as a whole plays in 6 games, the east plays in 6 games. Each of the 2 east teams has 3 cross games (6), each of the 3 west teams has 2 cross games (6).
Two groups interacting with each other separately 1 on 1 will always have an equal sum of interactions no matter how many interactions they have. You can either have teams in one division have fewer cross games than their other division members or you can have a football game involving 2 teams against 1.
I'm guessing you weren't too good at solving math problems in middle and high school...
Posted on 8/30/11 at 12:36 pm to elpechis
Am I the only one (besides chill) that noticed this at the bottom of that article?
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Correction: August 30, 2011
An earlier version incorrectly reported that the Texas A&M president had sent a letter to the Big 12 about its intent to leave the conference.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 12:39 pm to elpechis
Let me know when this actually happens.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 12:46 pm to TIGERSandFROGS
I'm going to take the time to demonstrate how fricking dumb you are. Let's do the West, who each needs to have 2 games to make it an 8 game schedule. I'm going to add hypothetical opponents to prove this is impossible.
Texas A&M -- Florida, SC
LSU -- Florida, SC
Arkansas -- SC, Vandy
Ole Miss -- Vandy, Kentucky
MSU -- Kentucky, Georgia
Auburn -- Georgia, Tennessee
Alabama -- Tennessee, Florida
(count them up, it's 14 games)
Okay, so the West's conference slate is full. Based on this, the East's games are:
Florida -- A&M, LSU, Alabama
SC -- LSU, A&M, Arkansas
Vandy -- Ole Miss, MSU
Kentucky -- Arkansas, Ole Miss
Georgia -- MSU, Auburn
Tennessee -- Auburn, Alabama
(count them up, it's 14 games)
Okay, so only Florida and SC have all three interdivision games they need. Vandy, Kentucky, Georgia, and Tennessee only have 2 each, so they each need one more (4 more games + 14 they already have = 18). The problem is the West has all of their teams at 2 games each already. As I said, the east with 6 teams and 3 cross games each has to play the west 18 times.
There's no way for every west team to have the same number of games the other west teams do while all east teams have the same number of games as each other. It's physically not possible until you reach the lowest common denominator as I did with my hypothetical 2 and 3 team divisions playing a total of 6 cross games. The lowest common denominator of 6 and 7 is 42, meaning 42 total inter-division games would need to occur with each west team playing all 6 east ones (7x6=42) and each east team playing all the west teams (6x7=42).
If you don't understand this now, you never will.
Texas A&M -- Florida, SC
LSU -- Florida, SC
Arkansas -- SC, Vandy
Ole Miss -- Vandy, Kentucky
MSU -- Kentucky, Georgia
Auburn -- Georgia, Tennessee
Alabama -- Tennessee, Florida
(count them up, it's 14 games)
Okay, so the West's conference slate is full. Based on this, the East's games are:
Florida -- A&M, LSU, Alabama
SC -- LSU, A&M, Arkansas
Vandy -- Ole Miss, MSU
Kentucky -- Arkansas, Ole Miss
Georgia -- MSU, Auburn
Tennessee -- Auburn, Alabama
(count them up, it's 14 games)
Okay, so only Florida and SC have all three interdivision games they need. Vandy, Kentucky, Georgia, and Tennessee only have 2 each, so they each need one more (4 more games + 14 they already have = 18). The problem is the West has all of their teams at 2 games each already. As I said, the east with 6 teams and 3 cross games each has to play the west 18 times.
There's no way for every west team to have the same number of games the other west teams do while all east teams have the same number of games as each other. It's physically not possible until you reach the lowest common denominator as I did with my hypothetical 2 and 3 team divisions playing a total of 6 cross games. The lowest common denominator of 6 and 7 is 42, meaning 42 total inter-division games would need to occur with each west team playing all 6 east ones (7x6=42) and each east team playing all the west teams (6x7=42).
If you don't understand this now, you never will.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 12:47 pm to Uncle Stu
Stu, what you're missing is that the games won't balance out. If each west team is playing 2 east teams then that's 14 games played against the east by the west. And if each east team is playing 3 west teams, then that's 18 games played against the west, by the east.
Those numbers have to match up for the schedule to even work. There's not enough teams to make a schedule like that work.
Those numbers have to match up for the schedule to even work. There's not enough teams to make a schedule like that work.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 1:08 pm to OneMoreTime
I'm wondering if he's going to show up again... I'd bet not unless he comes back to say he still thinks he's right and there's a
magical formula that can make 14 = 18.
magical formula that can make 14 = 18.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 8:25 pm to TIGERSandFROGS
@TIGERSandFROGS
Thank you. I gave up trying to post logic with the rude dude. It's ok to be rude but not stupid. I'll bet Stu really looks like that in real life.
Thank you. I gave up trying to post logic with the rude dude. It's ok to be rude but not stupid. I'll bet Stu really looks like that in real life.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 8:49 pm to elpechis
13 hour trip....here I come.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:27 pm to Touchdowns4LSU
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@TIGERSandFROGS
Thank you. I gave up trying to post logic with the rude dude. It's ok to be rude but not stupid. I'll bet Stu really looks like that in real life.
I feel kind of bad about being so insulting towards him. I've been trying to not hide behind my moniker on here and talk to people the way I would if I was speaking face-to-face with someone I didn't know. Regardless, he couldve had the marbles to say he was wrong at least, or thank me for teaching him something.
Oh well.
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