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150 years ago, in 1861, Missouri moved to SECede
Posted on 10/5/11 at 10:47 am
Posted on 10/5/11 at 10:47 am
from the Union only to be stopped by military force sent from other states.
It is only fitting on this anniversary that Missouri frees itself and joins the SEC.
It is only fitting on this anniversary that Missouri frees itself and joins the SEC.
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Posted on 10/5/11 at 10:48 am to TigerMattSTL
Didn't mizzou fight for the north?
Posted on 10/5/11 at 10:53 am to TigerMattSTL
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from the Union only to be stopped by military force sent from other states
so, missouri lost their civil war before it started? you're good man. if other mizzou fans are like you i think i'll enjoy y'all (you guys?) being in the sec.
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It is only fitting on this anniversary that Missouri frees itself and joins the SEC
sure hope you don't get stopped by military force sent from texas and oklahoma. i wouldn't worry about kansas or iowa.
Posted on 10/5/11 at 11:00 am to NorthshoreTiger76
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Didn't mizzou fight for the north?
Not hardly. A full quarter of the Union troops were kept in Missouri to try to maintain control of the state.
The democratically elected government in Missouri was overthrown by the Union forces. Missouri Governor Claiborne Jackson was ordered by Lincoln to provide four regiments to support the Union efforts. Jackson refused instead calling up the Missouri State Guard in an attempt to seize the St. Louis Arsenal (a major union arms depot).
General Nathaniel Lyon moved his forces to topple the Missouri State Government forcing them to retreat. Lyon then established an unconstitutional Pro-Union government.
Posted on 10/5/11 at 11:09 am to NorthshoreTiger76
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Didn't mizzou fight for the north?
The state basically had it's own civil war. There's quite a bit of battlefields in Southern Missouri including Carthage,MO and Wilson's Creek battlefield outside of Springfield,MO. That's why the Ozarks area (South of I-44) is basically Southern and have strong southern ties.
Battle of Carthage
Wilson's Creek National Battlefield
Battles in Missouri..
This post was edited on 10/5/11 at 11:14 am
Posted on 10/5/11 at 11:31 am to bayou2003
As an aggie, good luck to mizzou. I'm glad to see your fanbase mobilized like ours did and fought to in all likelihood be an SEC member. We both have growing up to do but it will be worth it in the end.
Posted on 10/5/11 at 11:32 am to bayou2003
I am pulling for Mizzou.
Posted on 10/5/11 at 11:45 am to TigerMattSTL
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Pro-Union government.
All I needed to know. Thanks. Yankee.
Posted on 10/5/11 at 11:50 am to GulfCoastPoke
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Pro-Union government.
All I needed to know. Thanks. Yankee.
If you read carefully. I believe this happened in other states......
The democratically elected government in Missouri was overthrown by the Union forces. Missouri Governor Claiborne Jackson was ordered by Lincoln to provide four regiments to support the Union efforts. Jackson refused instead calling up the Missouri State Guard in an attempt to seize the St. Louis Arsenal (a major union arms depot).
General Nathaniel Lyon moved his forces to topple the Missouri State Government forcing them to retreat. Lyon then established an unconstitutional Pro-Union government.
This post was edited on 10/5/11 at 11:51 am
Posted on 10/5/11 at 12:16 pm to TigerMattSTL
Battle of Belmont in Mississippi County, Missouri. November 7, 1861. Brig.Gen. U.S. Grant's first battle as a general officer. We kicked his arse back all the way to Cairo, Illinois. Lt.Gen. Leonidas Polk, former Episcopal Bishop of Louisiana, Confederate general in command.
This post was edited on 10/5/11 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 10/5/11 at 12:28 pm to RhodeIslandRed
I bet a lot of people don't know that one of the stars on the Confederate Flag is for MISSOURI...
Confederate States of America....
More interesting tidbits...
Missouri Governor had some balls.....
On February 18, Missourians elected a special state convention to decide on secession and other matters. The convention voted 98-1 against secession, despite lobbying by Jackson. Jackson announced that he would continue the policy of his predecessor Robert M. Stewart, whereby Missouri would be an "armed neutral," refusing to give arms or men to either side in the approaching Civil War.
In secret, however, Jackson corresponded with Confederate President Jefferson Davis, making plans to carry Missouri out of the Union by a military coup.
The key point was the U.S. Arsenal in St. Louis, which contained large stocks of arms and ammunition. Jackson plotted to seize the Arsenal, and asked Davis to send artillery to breach the Arsenal's walls.
After the bombardment of Fort Sumter on April 12-13, President Abraham Lincoln issued a proclamation for the states to call up their militia and provide 75,000 troops to the Federal government to suppress the rebellion. He sent specific requests to all states, including Missouri.
Jackson responded,
"Sir: Your dispatch of the 15th instant, making a call on Missouri for four regiments of men for immediate service, as been received. There can be, I apprehend, no doubt that the men are intended to form a part of the President's army to make war upon the people of the seceded states. Your requisition, in my judgment, is illegal, unconstitutional, and revolutionary in its object, inhuman, and diabolical and cannot be complied with. Not one man will the State of Missouri furnish to carry on any unholy crusade."
On October 28, 1861, in Neosho, Missouri, some secessionist members of the Missouri General Assembly met (with Jackson present) and passed an ordinance of secession. The Confederacy recognized Missouri as its twelfth state, with Jackson as governor. However, Union forces occupied almost all of Missouri and Jackson took refuge in Arkansas.
Confederate States of America....
More interesting tidbits...
Missouri Governor had some balls.....
On February 18, Missourians elected a special state convention to decide on secession and other matters. The convention voted 98-1 against secession, despite lobbying by Jackson. Jackson announced that he would continue the policy of his predecessor Robert M. Stewart, whereby Missouri would be an "armed neutral," refusing to give arms or men to either side in the approaching Civil War.
In secret, however, Jackson corresponded with Confederate President Jefferson Davis, making plans to carry Missouri out of the Union by a military coup.
The key point was the U.S. Arsenal in St. Louis, which contained large stocks of arms and ammunition. Jackson plotted to seize the Arsenal, and asked Davis to send artillery to breach the Arsenal's walls.
After the bombardment of Fort Sumter on April 12-13, President Abraham Lincoln issued a proclamation for the states to call up their militia and provide 75,000 troops to the Federal government to suppress the rebellion. He sent specific requests to all states, including Missouri.
Jackson responded,
"Sir: Your dispatch of the 15th instant, making a call on Missouri for four regiments of men for immediate service, as been received. There can be, I apprehend, no doubt that the men are intended to form a part of the President's army to make war upon the people of the seceded states. Your requisition, in my judgment, is illegal, unconstitutional, and revolutionary in its object, inhuman, and diabolical and cannot be complied with. Not one man will the State of Missouri furnish to carry on any unholy crusade."
On October 28, 1861, in Neosho, Missouri, some secessionist members of the Missouri General Assembly met (with Jackson present) and passed an ordinance of secession. The Confederacy recognized Missouri as its twelfth state, with Jackson as governor. However, Union forces occupied almost all of Missouri and Jackson took refuge in Arkansas.
Posted on 10/5/11 at 1:10 pm to TigerMattSTL
Not true. Most of the military force came from St. Louis:
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Like most southern states, sentiment in Missouri was split between secessionists and Unionists.
LINK
Like most southern states, sentiment in Missouri was split between secessionists and Unionists.
Posted on 10/5/11 at 1:11 pm to bayou2003
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On October 28, 1861, in Neosho, Missouri, some secessionist members of the Missouri General Assembly met (with Jackson present) and passed an ordinance of secession. The Confederacy recognized Missouri as its twelfth state, with Jackson as governor. However, Union forces occupied almost all of Missouri and Jackson took refuge in Arkansas.
The Missouri State Government in exile sat in Marshall, Texas.
LINK
Posted on 10/5/11 at 1:11 pm to TigerMattSTL
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Lyon then established an unconstitutional Pro-Union government.
If the established government votes to secede, then the President has the constitutional authority to establish a provisional government.
Posted on 10/5/11 at 1:15 pm to RockChalkTiger
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If the established government votes to secede, then the President has the constitutional authority to establish a provisional government.
Where in the Constitution of the United States does it say that?
Posted on 10/5/11 at 1:17 pm to RhodeIslandRed
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The Missouri State Government in exile sat in Marshall, Texas.
Read that..... very interesting.
Posted on 10/5/11 at 1:20 pm to RhodeIslandRed
Start with Article 1, Section 10, which prohibits secession, and then read Article 2, Section 2, whcih grants the President broad powers as Commander-in-Chief.
Posted on 10/5/11 at 1:21 pm to TigerMattSTL
Missouri, making bad choices since 1861.
Posted on 10/5/11 at 1:22 pm to bayou2003
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The state basically had it's own civil war.
Yeah I remember reading up something on the Civil War and it said MO sent like 39 companies to fight at the siege of Vicksburg.. 22 for the Union 17 for the Confederacy. Can't remember if those were the exact #s but it was something along those lines.
eta: It was through that same source that said every Confederate state sent X amount of Unionist followers to fight for the Union.. except SC. You all are a bunch of Yanks.
This post was edited on 10/5/11 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 10/5/11 at 1:27 pm to theGarnetWay
Probably this source:
Lincoln's Loyalists
Lincoln's Loyalists
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