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re: 14th team by 2012?
Posted on 9/26/11 at 11:04 am to JawjaTigah
Posted on 9/26/11 at 11:04 am to JawjaTigah
Its about new markets and money. Forget USF, Louisville, TCU, or Clemson. The OU\OSU conjoined twins arent interested in the SEC. No way UNC or Maryland leave the ACC
I think the plum is VT. New market\state and Beamer has built a solid program.
1. VT
2. FSU - huge state population but not a new market
3. NCST
4. Missouri
5. WVU
6. GT (see FSU, except on a smaller scale)
realistically, i think it will have to be one of the bottom 4 on this list. One has to think the SEC couldve snapped up VT before they joined the ACC back in 2004.
I think the plum is VT. New market\state and Beamer has built a solid program.
1. VT
2. FSU - huge state population but not a new market
3. NCST
4. Missouri
5. WVU
6. GT (see FSU, except on a smaller scale)
realistically, i think it will have to be one of the bottom 4 on this list. One has to think the SEC couldve snapped up VT before they joined the ACC back in 2004.
This post was edited on 9/26/11 at 11:07 am
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Posted on 9/26/11 at 11:34 am to JawjaTigah
What about the 27 month wait period for Big East schools? Do they get out of it, or does it not apply or something?
Mizzou would harm the Big 12 and re-start all the lawsuits, I would think. It seems to me like there may have been an agreement to drop the legal BS if the SEC left the rest of the Big 12 alone.
I don't think any ACC schools will come. They'll make just as much in the ACC with an easier road to the BCS, better basketball, and no loss of rivalries.
Mizzou would harm the Big 12 and re-start all the lawsuits, I would think. It seems to me like there may have been an agreement to drop the legal BS if the SEC left the rest of the Big 12 alone.
I don't think any ACC schools will come. They'll make just as much in the ACC with an easier road to the BCS, better basketball, and no loss of rivalries.
Posted on 9/26/11 at 12:06 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:
OTOH, WVU wants in, that ought to count for something
I'm guessing, 110 other schools WANT IN the SEC.
Hell, take UNLV...at least every fan WILL WANT to make that road trip.
No buy out, and UNLV has a championship, unlike WVU.
And, it puts a Rebels team back in the SEC.
Posted on 9/26/11 at 12:21 pm to parkjas2001
quote:
Think money markets. USF, Mizzou, TCU, Miami, Louisville are the only real options.
JMO - missouri, fsu, and va tech are the favorites - others like maryland are possible but less likely
and no a 20 million dollar ACC buyout is not really a problem - we're talking about revenues for the future in billions, not millions
Posted on 9/26/11 at 12:33 pm to molsusports
quote:Well if this $$$ is so easy to come by and such a non-issue why did the ACC bother to raise it? Why do any conferences bother with any kinds of $$$ buyouts? Why would the big, bad SEC even hesitate for a moment to do like the Honey Badger and take what we wants from the ACC? This is not petty cash, and billions? Maybe, maybe not. And while some people may think all the SEC is about now is revenues, I do still maintain the SEC is what it is today because of quality football, quality schools, and regional rivalries. Winning football games and excellent product is what excites fans, which produces the kinds of viewerships and marketing muscle that make this the premier football conference. This again is why WVU would absolutely fit right in. They have a real football program and a rabid fanbase that extends far beyond the country roads and mountains of their state. Don't sell the SEC out for just dollars. Give us great football, great rivalries, and rabid fans in full stadiums - the dollars will follow. I promise.
and no a 20 million dollar ACC buyout is not really a problem
This post was edited on 9/26/11 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 9/26/11 at 12:36 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:
Well if this is so easy to come by and such a non-issue why did the ACC bother to raise it?
JMO - FSU and Va Tech outfoxed their in conference opponents
20 million dollars is enough to restrict the movement of medium to small time college programs but no barrier to teams with higher profiles and ability to make money
Texas had something of the same motivation with the buyouts in teh Big 12 - they would never have to pay that kind of buyout because if they left the conference would collapse. But they could bend over Colorado, Nebraska, and A&M one last time before they left
Posted on 9/26/11 at 12:41 pm to molsusports
quote:I will stand on this belief: "...The SEC is what it is today because of quality football, quality schools, and regional rivalries. Winning football games and excellent product is what excites fans, which produces the kinds of viewerships and marketing muscle that make this the premier football conference." Give us this, and the dollars will follow. I promise.
20 million dollars is enough to restrict the movement of medium to small time college programs but no barrier to teams with higher profiles and ability to make money
Posted on 9/26/11 at 12:46 pm to JawjaTigah
FWIW I probably mostly agree with you regarding expansion - but it looks like A&M is a done deal and there will have to be a 14th to make things work more easily in the future
I'm really not sure the change is an improvement tho - 12 teams has worked really well
I'm really not sure the change is an improvement tho - 12 teams has worked really well
Posted on 9/26/11 at 12:46 pm to JawjaTigah
----ncaa requires divisions to play championship game. it would require a special waiver, and the major conferences control the committee like the UN Security Council, so the Big12 alone could and would strike it down... since they don't get a championship game w/ 10 teams. ----
This is incorrect, conferences MAY split into division once the get to 12 and have a Chap. game. They are not required to.
This is incorrect, conferences MAY split into division once the get to 12 and have a Chap. game. They are not required to.
Posted on 9/26/11 at 2:42 pm to 3rddownonthe8
quote:
This is incorrect, conferences MAY split into division once the get to 12 and have a Chap. game. They are not required to.
cecil hurt said last week on finebaum that the ncaa rule for a 13th game specifically requires division winners playing for a championship and that the Big 12 would have veto power to get a waiver to go to round robin.
Posted on 9/26/11 at 2:59 pm to molsusports
quote:Total agreement, but we gotta face the facts that aTm is one of us now, and we need to even the number at 14 exciting, quality, SEC-worthy teams (I hope for 2012). Lots of opinions on what makes a team exciting, quality, and SEC-worthy, but in mine, I'd say WVU more than fits the bill (and they won't cost anybody 20 million). Yes, I'd like some of the more storied ACC teams (FSU, Clemson, GT, UNC, VT), but honestly, I don't think any of them could be blasted out of the ACC or they would already be in the public hopper. And I just can't see Mizzou in the SEC; great team for the Big XII or B1G, but for the SEC, not a fit.
it looks like A&M is a done deal and there will have to be a 14th to make things work more easily in the future
I'm really not sure the change is an improvement tho - 12 teams has worked really well
Posted on 9/26/11 at 3:21 pm to JawjaTigah
my mistake... at first, most inquires I made did not talk about the requirement for division champions... but you are correct here is the by law...
Twelve-Member Conference Championship Game. [FBS/FCS] A conference championship game
between division champions of a member conference of 12 or more institutions that is divided into two
divisions (of six or more institutions each), each of which conducts round-robin, regular-season competition
among the members of that division;
what I think is curious though, is no where does it say that teams from the other division must be played , only a round robin inside your own division,.... if division champions were only determined by those division records, then that could simplify next year with only 13 teams.... if the SEC changes the way of determining division champs.
Twelve-Member Conference Championship Game. [FBS/FCS] A conference championship game
between division champions of a member conference of 12 or more institutions that is divided into two
divisions (of six or more institutions each), each of which conducts round-robin, regular-season competition
among the members of that division;
what I think is curious though, is no where does it say that teams from the other division must be played , only a round robin inside your own division,.... if division champions were only determined by those division records, then that could simplify next year with only 13 teams.... if the SEC changes the way of determining division champs.
Posted on 9/26/11 at 5:28 pm to G8Rdan
If you believe that the "gentlemen's agreement" is real, than the team that makes the most sense is Missouri.
If you don't believe in the "gentlemen's agreement", than the team that makes the most sense is Florida State.
That simple.
If you don't believe in the "gentlemen's agreement", than the team that makes the most sense is Florida State.
That simple.
This post was edited on 9/26/11 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 9/26/11 at 5:31 pm to JawjaTigah
I don't care anymore. I just want this whole trainwreck to be over. I just want to cope with whatever happens already and get over it. 
Posted on 9/26/11 at 8:16 pm to Tigerman550
It has to be either #1 choice VT or Mizzou #2
Mizzou's stadium can seat 75K and draws in KC and St. Louis markets and is Missouri's flagship university. It is also a pretty good basketball school.
VTs stadium is over 66K, plus an excellent academic school overall and will draw in the DC and Pittsburgh markets.
Mizzou's stadium can seat 75K and draws in KC and St. Louis markets and is Missouri's flagship university. It is also a pretty good basketball school.
VTs stadium is over 66K, plus an excellent academic school overall and will draw in the DC and Pittsburgh markets.
Posted on 9/26/11 at 9:24 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:
Well if this $$$ is so easy to come by and such a non-issue why did the ACC bother to raise it? Why do any conferences bother with any kinds of $$$ buyouts?
Because we'll pick the 14th member based on a cost-benefit analysis. All the ACC really did was raise the cost side of the equation. They hope doing so will make VT/FSU not worth the price tag--not in absolute terms, but compared to other teams like OU or WV or Mizzou.
Posted on 9/26/11 at 9:40 pm to bona fide
How about we just boot Vandy out
Posted on 9/26/11 at 9:56 pm to ragacamps
see the thread about the Mizzou curator's note sent today - which seems to indicate it's saying bye-bye to bevo
Posted on 9/26/11 at 10:07 pm to SportzBlogger1
quote:
How about we just boot Vandy out
No, Vandy is useful in that their status as a private institution makes the dealings of the SEC office private, not public info and not subject to freedom of information act requests. So details about tv contracts, payouts, internal matters, etc. aren't available to snooping message board posters like the Longhorn Network contract was.
Posted on 9/26/11 at 10:16 pm to SWCBonfire
Plus Vandy is respectable in every sport but football, is an original member of the conference, and brings top notch academic credentials to the table.
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