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Posted on 1/5/11 at 10:11 pm to belowpar
Posted on 1/5/11 at 10:11 pm to belowpar
Interesting...putting it in baseball terms..I would have to say hiring Krag would be hitting a single. We need at least a triple. I dont know which OC would be a Triple...but it aint Krag. Although keeping Crowton would be a strikeout...
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Posted on 1/5/11 at 10:37 pm to Choctaw
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Dude...you've been here long enough to know that LSU recruits itself...Miles has nothing to do with it.
LSU would continue to cherry pick the best players from within the state, but there's no guarentee LSU would recruit as well on a national scale with the next staff. And the recruiting class that will sign in less than a month would deteriorate a good bit if Miles left. Recruiting is fine art that recquires certain personalities.
or in the case of Auburn, large sums of cash.
Posted on 1/5/11 at 10:38 pm to Swat5
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Interesting...putting it in baseball terms..I would have to say hiring Krag would be hitting a single. We need at least a triple. I dont know which OC would be a Triple...but it aint Krag. Although keeping Crowton would be a strikeout...
In light of the recent OC hiring in Florida, let me add to your metaphor.
Keeping Crowton would be a strikeout in the bottom of the 9th trailing by 2 with the bases loaded and 2 outs in the CWS vs Texas
Posted on 1/5/11 at 10:40 pm to Choctaw
quote:LSU has nothing to do with it either...Its the grass.
Dude...you've been here long enough to know that LSU recruits itself...Miles has nothing to do with it.
Posted on 1/5/11 at 10:45 pm to south bama tiger
quote:/sarcasm/
Dude...you've been here long enough to know that LSU recruits itself...Miles has nothing to do with it.
LSU would continue to cherry pick the best players from within the state, but there's no guarentee LSU would recruit as well on a national scale with the next staff. And the recruiting class that will sign in less than a month would deteriorate a good bit if Miles left. Recruiting is fine art that recquires certain personalities.
or in the case of Auburn, large sums of cash.
Posted on 1/5/11 at 11:01 pm to Cadello
Les is a very good recruiter, and has a staff full of very good recruiters, particularly Wilson, Cooper, and Haley.
That said, Miles benefits greatly from LSU being a juggernaut and loaded when he got here. His poor recruiting in 2005 (not his fault) and 2006 (all the attrition), were offset by the talent LSU had stock piled mostly under Miles and helped him win the NC in 2007. This completely solidified his recruiting.
If anything, Les winning the NC in 2007 will pay dividends in recruiting for LSU more than Miles. LSU has shown that with two different coaches it can still win a title, and players respect that. No other school has done that unless you go back to 1996 with UF winning 3 under two different coaches.
As long as LSU keeps several of the assistant coaches and hires a likeable, respectable, and good coach, they'll be fine.
May have a slight blip, but in the end, LSU will survive.
Hell, Randy Shannon as a DC would likely be better than Chavis, because he's an excellent coach and recruiter. Chavis is not known as a good recruiter, but is a very good DC.
At OC we have a coach that can't recruit and doesn't like it. We can hire a better recruiter there. It's not as bad as some make it out to be should Les leave.
It could be a worst case scenario, but chances are it won't. Of course, Les lovers will continue to claim doom and gloom if he leaves.
That said, Miles benefits greatly from LSU being a juggernaut and loaded when he got here. His poor recruiting in 2005 (not his fault) and 2006 (all the attrition), were offset by the talent LSU had stock piled mostly under Miles and helped him win the NC in 2007. This completely solidified his recruiting.
If anything, Les winning the NC in 2007 will pay dividends in recruiting for LSU more than Miles. LSU has shown that with two different coaches it can still win a title, and players respect that. No other school has done that unless you go back to 1996 with UF winning 3 under two different coaches.
As long as LSU keeps several of the assistant coaches and hires a likeable, respectable, and good coach, they'll be fine.
May have a slight blip, but in the end, LSU will survive.
Hell, Randy Shannon as a DC would likely be better than Chavis, because he's an excellent coach and recruiter. Chavis is not known as a good recruiter, but is a very good DC.
At OC we have a coach that can't recruit and doesn't like it. We can hire a better recruiter there. It's not as bad as some make it out to be should Les leave.
It could be a worst case scenario, but chances are it won't. Of course, Les lovers will continue to claim doom and gloom if he leaves.
Posted on 1/5/11 at 11:03 pm to Choctaw
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Dude...you've been here long enough to know that LSU recruits itself...Miles has nothing to do with it.
Haven't read the whole thread, but I'm assuming this is sarcasm?
Posted on 1/5/11 at 11:06 pm to BayouBengals03
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LSU recruits itself...Miles has nothing to do with it.
wow
Posted on 1/5/11 at 11:21 pm to GABlueDog
why do people who criticize miles not mention that after the '08 season, lsu has improved each year? if the sec is so tough, lsu should have stayed terrible right?
some people are saying that crowton sucks. if you read the advocate, then you know crowton basically said that it's miles' scheme.
people who are criticizing miles for meddling apparently have forgotten that football isn't just about offense. stats and performance are relative to the other two phases of the game. the offense only has to perform GOOD ENOUGH in relation to the defense and special teams. crowton was specific about this in the article. miles isn't going to open up the offense unless he has to.
in that regard, miles is one of the best in the country and his track record in the toughest conference proves it. yes, he has faults. not one person in this thread can name a coach that doesn't have faults. the question is which coach wins more and the answer is that miles is in the elite.
it's about fitting into the system and if kragthorpe fits the system, bring him in. crowton is good but, he's not fitting in here.
also, players are not necessarily a good source of info. if you've ever played the game, then you know this is true.
some people are saying that crowton sucks. if you read the advocate, then you know crowton basically said that it's miles' scheme.
people who are criticizing miles for meddling apparently have forgotten that football isn't just about offense. stats and performance are relative to the other two phases of the game. the offense only has to perform GOOD ENOUGH in relation to the defense and special teams. crowton was specific about this in the article. miles isn't going to open up the offense unless he has to.
in that regard, miles is one of the best in the country and his track record in the toughest conference proves it. yes, he has faults. not one person in this thread can name a coach that doesn't have faults. the question is which coach wins more and the answer is that miles is in the elite.
it's about fitting into the system and if kragthorpe fits the system, bring him in. crowton is good but, he's not fitting in here.
also, players are not necessarily a good source of info. if you've ever played the game, then you know this is true.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 12:12 am to LSUMafia
[quote] That said, Miles benefits greatly from LSU being a juggernaut and loaded when he got here. His poor recruiting in 2005 (not his fault) and 2006 (all the attrition), were offset by the talent LSU had stock piled mostly under Miles and helped him win the NC in 2007. This completely solidified his recruiting. [/quote/]
Yeah go check out sabans 02 and 04 classes. Those were great. Oh wait and 05 was his fault also. In 06 we lacked serious depth on the oline and recruited a bunch of bodies and as a result saw a lot of attrition. 05 wouldnt have been ranked as high if Miles had not gotten RP here. I know that didnt work out, but lee and hatch were the guys behind rp in 07.
Les and co had a month at best in 05. If we get a new staff, they will have even less time.
Yeah go check out sabans 02 and 04 classes. Those were great. Oh wait and 05 was his fault also. In 06 we lacked serious depth on the oline and recruited a bunch of bodies and as a result saw a lot of attrition. 05 wouldnt have been ranked as high if Miles had not gotten RP here. I know that didnt work out, but lee and hatch were the guys behind rp in 07.
Les and co had a month at best in 05. If we get a new staff, they will have even less time.
This post was edited on 1/6/11 at 4:52 am
Posted on 1/6/11 at 12:19 am to dgnx6
I have posted in numerous threads that LSU doesnt recruit itself.
The coach still has to go out there and evaluate talent and offer them a scholarship.
There are plenty of players that say they grew up lsu fans that dont commit on the spot or even attend the school. Rueban Randle was one. Hill is another. Freak Johnson was eying tenn until wilson got here. The coaches should get a lot of props for getting these players to campus. Oh and guess what Mettenberger didnt just grow up dreaming to play for LSU. Some one had to go sell the program and sell the kid on why he should come here. Especially when you got a guy like Nick Saban doing the same thing to all the top recruits in state.
Coaches go on the road, watch film, deal with 16,17,18 year olds who dodnt know what the frick they want to do. Its not like hey here is a scholarship to LSU and bam thats it. No top recruit is just going to up and sign with LSU without talking to the coaches when you got teams like Texas, Ou, Bama, Auburn, UF, Tenn, USCw, FSU,and Miami recruiting players from LA.
The coach still has to go out there and evaluate talent and offer them a scholarship.
There are plenty of players that say they grew up lsu fans that dont commit on the spot or even attend the school. Rueban Randle was one. Hill is another. Freak Johnson was eying tenn until wilson got here. The coaches should get a lot of props for getting these players to campus. Oh and guess what Mettenberger didnt just grow up dreaming to play for LSU. Some one had to go sell the program and sell the kid on why he should come here. Especially when you got a guy like Nick Saban doing the same thing to all the top recruits in state.
Coaches go on the road, watch film, deal with 16,17,18 year olds who dodnt know what the frick they want to do. Its not like hey here is a scholarship to LSU and bam thats it. No top recruit is just going to up and sign with LSU without talking to the coaches when you got teams like Texas, Ou, Bama, Auburn, UF, Tenn, USCw, FSU,and Miami recruiting players from LA.
This post was edited on 1/6/11 at 12:26 am
Posted on 1/6/11 at 12:38 am to willeteal
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Kragthorpe???
That guy is Crowton 2.0
Not sure how much of an upgrade he would be. Might be better staying with Crowton.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 12:47 am to south bama tiger
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and we were out of FG range. Miles and his BIG 10, 1970s offense wouldn't have thrown the ball in that situation.
I wonder where that "BIG 10, 1970s offense" was in the 07 Auburn when we passed from the Auburn 22 with 9 secs to go rather than kick a FG???
Posted on 1/6/11 at 1:18 am to belowpar
Belowpar, I've made my decision. After a lot of thought, I've decided that LSU should hire Brian Harsin away from Boise State.
If you could, please make sure you let Les know that if he would make this hire, I would like him much more than i currently do.
Thank you.
If you could, please make sure you let Les know that if he would make this hire, I would like him much more than i currently do.
Thank you.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 1:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Not sure how much of an upgrade he would be. Might be better staying with Crowton.
at the absolute worst we would be getting a real QB coach
Posted on 1/6/11 at 5:12 am to bmy
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at the absolute worst we would be getting a real QB coach
It's just a meh ..hire if it happens. Got to be something better out there.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 5:53 am to belowpar
You have to hand it to belowpar. He threw a beach ball into the cage and kept the babboons occupied...I wonder what's really going on?
Posted on 1/6/11 at 7:07 am to belowpar
Kragthorpe's pverall Head coaching record:
2003 Tulsa 8–5 6–2 T–3rd L Humanitarian Bowl — —
2004 Tulsa 4–8 3–5 T–6th — —
2005 Tulsa 9–4 6–2 1st W AutoZone Liberty Bowl —2006 Tulsa 8–5 5–3 3rd L Armed Forces Bowl — —
2007 Louisville 6–6 3–4 T-5th — —
2008 Louisville 5–7 1–6 8th — —
2009 Louisville 4–8 1–6 7th — —
Total: 44–43
2003 Tulsa 8–5 6–2 T–3rd L Humanitarian Bowl — —
2004 Tulsa 4–8 3–5 T–6th — —
2005 Tulsa 9–4 6–2 1st W AutoZone Liberty Bowl —2006 Tulsa 8–5 5–3 3rd L Armed Forces Bowl — —
2007 Louisville 6–6 3–4 T-5th — —
2008 Louisville 5–7 1–6 8th — —
2009 Louisville 4–8 1–6 7th — —
Total: 44–43
Posted on 1/6/11 at 7:21 am to bengalbreaux
Charlie Weis wasn't a very good head coach also BTW and neither was Gregg Williams. Some coaches are only meant to coach on one side of the ball.
Posted on 1/6/11 at 7:31 am to Tim
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The Tennessee debacle at the end of the game, one big argument through the headset, this is absolutely true info...Now, to say someone else may be better, I can't answer that...If Miles won't keep his hand off the OC and play-calling
He was probably screaming at GC for calling an option to the short side of the field.
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