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re: Rich Rod interview on Dan Patrick Show...

Posted on 12/23/07 at 12:53 pm to
Posted by Purple Tiger
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Posted on 12/23/07 at 12:53 pm to
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RR were coming to an SEC program, like Bama for example, you'd think he was Satan incarnate.

The double standard when comparing RR and Petrino in the media is just astounding.

Oh yeah, I forgot-- it' MIchigan; you just can't turn down Michigan; it's okay because Michigan came calling.

Michigan has an astounding history. But it is just that--history. No different than Bama.
The past is no guarantee of future success.

Agreed,Michigan benefits from being media darling and having NCAA ignore recruiting violations. Lots of people turned Michigan down. Lousy high school football in Michigan.Rocket thinks because he loves them,everyone does.
Posted by Rocket
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 12/23/07 at 1:38 pm to
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Lots of people turned Michigan down


Like who? Ferentz and Schiano? That's not a lot of people.

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Rocket thinks because he loves them,everyone does.


You couldn't be further from the truth. I don't love Michigan. Never been much of a Wolverine fan. And of course, not everyone loves them.

Michigan is the winningest program in college football. Last time they had a losing season was 1967 and Bump Elliot was the coach.

It's easier to recruit nationally at Michigan than at WV. If you don't think so, you're not paying attention. Check the recruiting rankings.

Why do you think Rich Rod left WV for UM? You just think he felt he needed a change of scenery?

He is from WV, his parents live there, he has friends there, he was making 1.9 million dollars/year there, which was more than Lloyd Carr was making. They were just one game away from playing in the BCS title. Obviously, he felt there were advantages to coaching at UM than at WV.

As far as this double standard for Rich Rod changing jobs and going to Michigan, I don't see what he did wrong. He's not getting blasted by the media like Petrino did because every year he was at WV, he didn't go looking for another job. ANd he didn't quit in the middle of a regular season either. Plenty of reasons why Petrino is getting bashed and RR isn't.
Posted by DocHog
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Posted on 12/24/07 at 8:19 am to
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Posted by DocHog
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Posted on 12/24/07 at 8:28 am to
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As far as this double standard for Rich Rod changing jobs and going to Michigan, I don't see what he did wrong. He's not getting blasted by the media like Petrino did because every year he was at WV, he didn't go looking for another job. ANd he didn't quit in the middle of a regular season either. Plenty of reasons why Petrino is getting bashed and RR isn't.



Now Rocket, you are savvy enough to know that there are three sides to the story-- Petrino's, Blank's and the truth.

I agree that RR's situation is a bit different. But let's face it, even you give him a free pass basically because he will get to coach at Michigan.

I believe that if he had gone to bama, for example , there would be very few on the rant that would see him as anything other than a mercenary whore(basically what is being said about Petrino.) No one would give him any kudos.

One last thing though, if Petrino had taken the Michigan job under similar circumstances, do you think that the talking heads on ESPN would be telling recruits not to play for him?

I doubt it.

Personally, I would have preferred Muschamp, yet I like the Petrino-bashing. If his personality is anything like I think it is, he will take all of the BS to heart and work his arse off to get revenge.

AT least that is what I would do if I were in his shoes
Posted by Rocket
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Posted on 12/24/07 at 10:28 am to
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I agree that RR's situation is a bit different


It is. But, for some reason, you acknowledge it but then ignore it with your next sentence.

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But let's face it, even you give him a free pass basically because he will get to coach at Michigan.


I don't buy this theory that he's getting a free pass because he went to Michigan(as if it has something to do with how great Michigan is).

I mean, you admitted that RR's situation was a bit different, so what exactly should RR get bashed for? You're contradicting yourself.

Now, the media and other folks care about how coaches leave jobs, especially when they leave NFL teams it seems. I don't really care. Personally, my theory was that Petrino was smart to leave Atlanta because it appears the players there had quit on him. Now, was it his fault they quit on him? Probably some. But, that's a different debate.

But, the bottomline was/is this: Bobby P's and RR's situations are different as far as how they left their teams. That's why RR isn't getting bashed in the media and Bobby P. was/is. It also has to do with Bobby P's past searching for other jobs. As far as folks on the Rant bashing people, we don't have to compete with RR at Michigan. We do with BP at Arkansas.

As for me, I like RR better than I do with Bobby P. I've never cared for BP and it has nothing to do with the way he left Atlanta. In fact, we had the chance of hiring him after Saban left, and I'm so glad we didn't.

Also, had Les gone to Michigan, one of my top choices to replace him would have been RR. I was worried that Bobby P. would make a run at the job had Les left.

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I believe that if he had gone to bama, for example , there would be very few on the rant that would see him as anything other than a mercenary whore(basically what is being said about Petrino.) No one would give him any kudos.


The reason people on here gave Saban so much shite when he left Miami for Bama was because they used to believe in him and now we had to compete against him directly annually and people were probably worried that he'd make Bama into a power. I understand where you're coming from though. Would there be a conference bias thing going on? Probably. Our fans will dislike most likely whoever is at Bama because we have to compete against them. But, as long as RR didn't leave in a dishonorable fashion, they'd knock him, but not that much for different reasons than the media does BP.

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One last thing though, if Petrino had taken the Michigan job under similar circumstances, do you think that the talking heads on ESPN would be telling recruits not to play for him?

I doubt it.


Maybe, maybe not.

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Personally, I would have preferred Muschamp, yet I like the Petrino-bashing. If his personality is anything like I think it is, he will take all of the BS to heart and work his arse off to get revenge.

AT least that is what I would do if I were in his shoes


If his personality is what I think it is, he'll be looking for another job after next season.

So, to summarize this debate:

1. The way RR and BP left their teams are/were different.

2. The way BP left Atlanta(as well as his history of searching for other jobs) made the media trash BP. RR left WV in a somewhat more honorable fashion and WV had a better season. I think people in the media and public viewed BP as a quitter.

3. As far as the Rant goes, yes, people here don't care about RR going to Michigan because he didn't leave in a dishonorable fashion(similar to the media), although some may feel he sold out the people who were loyal to him and who he was supposed to be loyal to. And we don't have to compete against him annually at UM.

And yes, people on the Rant give BP a hard time because they don't like him for legit reasons, the way he left Atlanta(similar to the media), and that we have to compete against him annually at Arkansas(that's natural).

4. Had BP left Atlanta for Michigan, the media would probably still give him a hard time because of the way he left. Some on the Rant would care how he left, but alot wouldn't care because we don't have to compete against him on a yearly basis.

Had RR left for Bama last year, the media probably wouldn't give him a hard time like they did BP as long as he didn't lie. When a coach lies in the media, it gives them something to talk about. And yes, some on the Rant would care because we have to compete against him on a yearly basis.

But, people in general seem to like RR more than BP in both the media and on the Rant.

And lastly, the media and the Rant are two different things and are gonna have different reasons why they bash and don't bash people. So, don't lump folks on the Rant with people in the media.
This post was edited on 12/24/07 at 10:44 am
Posted by DocHog
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 12/24/07 at 2:31 pm to
Okey Dokey then...

I guess you missed the tongue-in-cheek comment I made about 'three sides to a story.' I don't think you and I are that different in our opinions in this regard, in fact, I think they would be in almost complete agreement except for one point--Petrino is now our coach, and despite my concerns, I want him to succeed. If Petrino had been hired at LSU, I bet you'd have the same feeling that I have now. You'd hope for the best, and you'd hope that the fears you have would never come to pass.

I still think that there is a bit of a bias because Arkansas is in no way a media darling, and Michigan is. So be it. I think you can even make an arguement that storied programs such as Michigan need to be great--it should mean something if you beat them. Michigan is great enough in fact to withstand a little media shite if it is deserved. And I think they deserved a bit more than they got, especially when juxtaposed against the treatment my Hogs have gotten lately .

Merry Christmas
Posted by Rocket
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 12/24/07 at 2:55 pm to
I didn't miss your comment.

And there may be a bias towards Michigan, but I'm still not sure what you think the media should be chastising Rich Rod for(you seem to think they should be). Do you really not understand why they're all over BP?

As far as if BP had been hired at LSU, you may be right eventhough for whatever reason, I've never cared for the guy and didn't like the fact that Skip and the boys pursued him after Nick left.


This post was edited on 12/24/07 at 3:01 pm
Posted by DocHog
Member since Nov 2006
1925 posts
Posted on 12/24/07 at 4:06 pm to
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Do you really not understand why they're all over BP?


Sure I get it. I just don't understand Sean Salsbury looking into the camera and telling recruits not to play for us. I don't understand ESPN discussing the decommitment of a 3star CB, and giving us crap about it, and ignoring the commitment of a 4 star QB the very same day. Seems like it would be reasonable to at least provide a counterpoint to all of the bashing that had taken place.

Here's a question I have for you. Do you think BP made the right decision by NOT addressing the media attack?

I think that this may be the one decision he got right in all of this sordid mess
Posted by Sophandros
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 12/24/07 at 4:13 pm to
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The double standard when comparing RR and Petrino in the media is just astounding.


Rodriguez at least told his players face to face.

Rodriguez at least told his staff face to face.

Rodriguez at least finished the regular season.

That said, if some of the theories flying around Atlanta are true, I can totally see why Petrino would have been frustrated and decided to leave. However, the manner of his departure reeks of vagina.
Posted by Sophandros
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 12/24/07 at 4:15 pm to
Oh, one more thing about Petrino. Check out his resume and how long he's stayed at one place.

He's a mercenary whore. Good luck, pigs.
Posted by Rocket
Member since Mar 2004
61117 posts
Posted on 12/24/07 at 4:58 pm to
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I just don't understand Sean Salsbury looking into the camera and telling recruits not to play for us. I don't understand ESPN discussing the decommitment of a 3star CB, and giving us crap about it, and ignoring the commitment of a 4 star QB the very same day. Seems like it would be reasonable to at least provide a counterpoint to all of the bashing that had taken place.


Salisbury probably shouldn't have done that. I'm kinda partial to the Hogs, and I thought that was too much eventhough I'm not sure how much of a difference that will make.

However, maybe they just don't like BP? I think his past history of looking for other jobs is a part of their dislike for him.

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Here's a question I have for you. Do you think BP made the right decision by NOT addressing the media attack?

I think that this may be the one decision he got right in all of this sordid mess


Yeah. When you respond and try to fight it, they can just pile on even more.

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