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re: Now that Muschamp has been named UF Head Coach

Posted on 12/11/10 at 11:11 pm to
Posted by TigersSEC2010
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Posted on 12/11/10 at 11:11 pm to
A Fire Muschamp Twitter has already been created.

@firemuschamp
Posted by Kunka
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Posted on 12/11/10 at 11:15 pm to
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He has done nothing to show he can be a head coach


Then what did guys like: Bob Stoops, Mark Richt, Les Miles, Nick Saban, Mack Brown, Jim Tressel, Bobby Petrino, Chip Kelly & hell any Successful head coach that used to be a assistant coach ever show that got them the jobs they have gotten over the years and now have?? What does an assistant coach have to "show" in your mind, in order to be a person that "can be a head coach"???


This post was edited on 12/11/10 at 11:20 pm
Posted by Prominentwon
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Posted on 12/11/10 at 11:17 pm to
At the time Oklahoma hired Stoops, they weren't exactly Florida, were they?
Posted by Prominentwon
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Posted on 12/11/10 at 11:18 pm to
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Mark Richt, Les Miles, Nick Saban, Mack Brown, Jim Tressel, Bobby Petrino, Chip Kelly & hell any Successful head coach that used to be a assistant coach ever show that got them the jobs they have gotten over the years and now have??



None of these coaches were taking over a school at the level Florida is at right now.
Posted by Kunka
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Posted on 12/11/10 at 11:24 pm to
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None of these coaches were taking over a school at the level Florida is at right now


You're right about that & they also took over good to big time programs and made them a whole hell of a lot better than before. In fact, Richt, Tressel, Kelly, & Stoops all have won multiple championships at those very schools.

Posted by Interception
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Posted on 12/11/10 at 11:30 pm to
Muschamp is possibly walking into a no win situation at Florida. Still, I dont blame him for wanting to get out from under Mack Brown and his never ending retirement speculation. As for Florida, they will still bring in excellent talent but we shall see if Muschamp is as legit as advertised.
Posted by Kunka
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/11/10 at 11:31 pm to
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At the time Oklahoma hired Stoops, they weren't exactly Florida, were they?


No they weren't but Stoops had made them one of the Top 5 Programs in College football since he got there I would say that says enough.

Bob Stoops was a young, highly respected Defensive coach that had won a championship at an SEC Power and was considered one of the top young coaches in America.

Will Muschamp is a young, highly respected Defensive coach that has won championships at multiple schools including at an SEC Power LSU & is considered one of the top young coaches in America.

Muschamp's resume is far better at this point in his coaching career than what Bob Stoops had done up to that point in his career when he accepted the OU job. Florida is going to be just fine.

Posted by Prominentwon
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Posted on 12/11/10 at 11:44 pm to
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Will Muschamp is a young, highly respected Defensive coach that has won championships at multiple schools including at an SEC Power LSU & is considered one of the top young coaches in America.

Muschamp's resume is far better at this point in his coaching career than what Bob Stoops had done up to that point in his career when he accepted the OU job. Florida is going to be just fine.


I could understand if this was a middle of the road job like Pitt or Texas Tech or Kansas....to get his feet wet in a head coaching position.

But this is FLORIDA. A job where you can get pretty much anyone. They chose someone without any head coaching experience.

Not a great hire at the moment.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/11/10 at 11:48 pm to
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Then what did guys like: Bob Stoops, Mark Richt, Les Miles, Nick Saban, Mack Brown, Jim Tressel, Bobby Petrino, Chip Kelly & hell any Successful head coach that used to be a assistant coach ever show that got them the jobs they have gotten over the years

other than chip kelly (who was promoted from within anyway), how many of these guys went from coordinator to top 3 CFB job?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/11/10 at 11:49 pm to
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You're right about that & they also took over good to big time programs and made them a whole hell of a lot better than before.

which is easier than maintaining the level UF has performed at from 2006-2009, wouldn't you say?

none of the coaches you listed were hired from another team to coach a program that was successful at the time
Posted by LSU GrandDad
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Posted on 12/11/10 at 11:51 pm to
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be fine. Most need to put aside the hate and view the hire objectively. He will be a homerun h


where's the hate? just because some people think uf could have done better it's hate? bull shite, man. muschamp has NEVER COACHED ONE GAME AS A HC. that's enough reason to question his hire as the leader of a program like florida's. it may turn out to be a home run, but there is no record to verify that. when someone offers a different opinion, it's not hate, it's a different opinion.
Posted by Barry Badrinath
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Posted on 12/11/10 at 11:52 pm to
I'm gonna have to see what his whole staff looks like before I make a judgement. If Muschamp hires Holgerson, then I think UF will be pretty good next year.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/11/10 at 11:53 pm to
and if UF hires applewhite/akina?
Posted by faxis
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Posted on 12/11/10 at 11:54 pm to
Muschamp is an unknown quantity as head coach almost.

Florida is throwing the dice bigtime.

Here's hoping they crap out.
Posted by Barry Badrinath
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Posted on 12/11/10 at 11:57 pm to
Then

Who knows though? It is definitely a risky hire any way you cut it. If I were Foley, I would have offered Patterson close to what Urban was making.
Posted by Kunka
Member since Dec 2010
394 posts
Posted on 12/12/10 at 12:47 am to
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how many of these guys went from coordinator to top 3 CFB job?


Oklahoma & Ohio State are 2 of the best jobs in all of college football, period. Rating the Top 3 jobs or Top 10 in all of college football is a matter of differing opinion, arguing with no concrete answer with a million different opinions at the end of the day. Oklahoma & Ohio State took chances with the hire's they chose upon and those football programs have turned out just fine since, considering they have been and still are 2 of the best football programs in College Football today.

I personally think Muschamp is going to do just fine at Florida and that is my personal view point based on many factors. What gets on my nerves is when people deny the history of what he has done as a coach up to this point in his career and say stupid things like "He hasn't shown anything that makes him a good football coach" and ignorant, clueless stuff like that. And those comments are coming from the very same people that would be saying Muschamp to LSU would be a great hire and how happy they are.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/12/10 at 12:59 am to
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Oklahoma & Ohio State are 2 of the best jobs in all of college football, period.

OSU was not when tress took over

OU was CERTAINLY not when stoops took over. same with UGA and richt.

plus, tress had been a HC prior to OSU

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What gets on my nerves is when people deny the history of what he has done as a coach up to this point

he was a puppet DC for saban at LSU then went to coach LBs at Miami

he did pretty well at AU, but, again, he was running tubby's D

he went to UT and has had VERY mixed results

and this is all as coordinator/puppet. we have no idea how he will do at the "little things" of head coaching

stoops had a much better track record as a coordinator and was independent in his scheming/calling

tressell had been a HC before. miles had been, along with brown, carroll, chizik, harbaugh, petrino, meyer, etc

fisher, beillema (sp) and kelly were promoted from within, in a sort of HCIW set up

when was the last time an elite program (which was still successful at the time of hire) hired a coordinator from another school as HC? honest question
This post was edited on 12/12/10 at 1:00 am
Posted by mattz1122
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 12/12/10 at 1:14 am to
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he went to UT and has had VERY mixed results






Texas's defense was pretty bad before he took over. It gradually improved and in year three, it was top 3 in the country. Even this past season, after the losses of Thomas, Kindle, Muckelroy and Houston and absolutely no help from the offense, the defense was still pretty decent -- top 10 in yards allowed. There's a reason Texas fans are pissed he's gone.
Posted by Hook Em Horns
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Posted on 12/12/10 at 1:46 am to
i will fricking jump off a bridge if akina and major leave as well..texas will fricking hate florida from now on if that happens
Posted by Kunka
Member since Dec 2010
394 posts
Posted on 12/12/10 at 1:59 am to
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he did pretty well at AU, but, again, he was running tubby's D


You're wrong. He was running HIS defensive scheme.

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he went to UT and has had VERY mixed results


2 of the 3 years he's been at Texas his Defense's have been #3 & #7 in College football in Total defense and has appeared in 2 BCS bowl games and playing for a national title

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and this is all as coordinator/puppet


You're wrong again. Mack Brown has let Will Muschamp run his defense since day 1.

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stoops had a much better track record as a coordinator and was independent in his scheming/calling


So being the DC at Kansas State and DC at Florida for 3 years and winning a combined 1 Conference Championship and 1 National Title are all of the sudden a better track record than Muschamp's 2 Conference Championships, 1 National Title & 3 BCS Bowls in 2 different BCS Conference's? You're wrong yet again, Muschamp has been totally independent with his scheme and calling games at Auburn & Texas.

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tressell had been a HC before


Yeah at 1-AA Youngstown State. Imagine the rioting that would take place in Baton Rouge if some National Championship Head Coach at McNeese or Northwestern was hired at LSU. People would bitch and moan till the cows came home about how they weren't qualified enough to be the HC at a school like LSU and

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when was the last time an elite program (which was still successful at the time of hire) hired a coordinator from another school as HC? honest question


Good question & my answer is I don't know and I'm to tired to care to be quiet honest with you. The bottom line is at the end of the day any new coaching hire is going to carry some risk with it because there are always a ton of unknowns, regardless if that new Head Coach is a coordinator with zero HC experience or an experienced HC.

You can talk all you want about who was hot and what Program was "Tops at that time" and all that crap but the real reality in this deal is that no matter who the coach is and which "Top Program" they are taking over as Head Coach, they will and SHOULD be judged with what they do over time not before they have coached zero games at that new school. Yeah OU and Ohio State weren't at the "Top" of programs when Stoops & Tressel went there but that was only in on field success. Oklahoma & Ohio State will always be 2 of the premier jobs in all of college football period no matter what. The same can be said for the following jobs:

Texas, Michigan, Penn St, USC, Notre Dame, Florida, Florida State, Miami, Georgia, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Nebraska.

This post was edited on 12/12/10 at 2:04 am
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