Lou Holtz went 8-4 and 9-3 respectively

Didn't he win a NC too

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and you point is?

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Spurrier no longer walks on water and hasn't for quite some time.

And I think Holtz was a better coach than people give him credit for. Sure, people outrage at his opinions and he has become somewhat of a clown since doing the ESPN Scoreboard deal and people my outrage at my suggestion that Holtz was a better coach than people give him credit for, he was.

Spurrier is losing with holtz talent ?

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By the way, I know that wasn't the point you were trying to make, but I was just throwing in my 2 cents

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Just got back home. Yeah, I knew you'd know what I was saying. And I agree, Holtz was a damn good coach before he turned crazy. He took SC from 0-11 to 8-4 in 1 year. 3rd biggest turnaround in NCAA history. I think he knows how to change attitudes/cultures.

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Lou Holtz? It's clear you missed the 1980's.

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You mean the decade he took over a 5-6 Notre Dame program and then did this:

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Lou Holtz had 17 years of coaching experience by the time he was hired to lead the Irish. He had previously been head coach of William and Mary, North Carolina State, Arkansas, and Minnesota. Holtz began in 1986 where his predecessor left off in 1985, finishing with an identical record of 5 wins and 6 losses. However, unlike the 1985 squad, which was generally outcoached and outplayed, Holtz's 1986 edition was competitive in nearly every game, losing five out of those six games by a combined total of 14 points. That would be his only losing season as he posted a record of 95-24-2 over the next ten seasons adding up to a 100-30-2 docket overall.

In contrast to Faust, Holtz was well-known as a master motivator and a strict disciplinarian. He displayed the latter trait in spades when two of his top players showed up late for dinner right before the then top-ranked Irish played second-ranked Southern California in the final regular season game of 1988. It was not the first time that had happened, and the players had been warned there would be serious consequences if it happened again. Holtz stuck to his guns, sending the two players home despite the fact that they had been contributors to the team's success. His move was vindicated when the Irish defeated USC anyway.

Holtz was named national coach of the year (Paul "Bear" Bryant Award) in 1988, the same season he took Notre Dame to an upset of #1 Miami in the Catholics vs. Convicts series and a win over West Virginia University in the Fiesta Bowl, thus capturing the National Championship. His 1989 and 1993 squads narrowly missed repeating the feat. Overall, he took Notre Dame to one undefeated season, 9 consecutive New Year’s Day bowl games, and top 10 finishes in the AP poll in five seasons.

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those 80s