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re: Is Texas about to open up

Posted on 12/18/12 at 11:45 am to
Posted by tmc94
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Posted on 12/18/12 at 11:45 am to
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My point was that Mack's insecurity/ego is driving him to possibly "promote" Major as the next HC because, if Major is successful, Mack can sit back and take some credit for it. How do you think it looks if someone else comes in, let's say Petersen, and does well. Makes Mack look like more of an incompetent than he does now.

meh. I think people project their Machiavellian bullshite on public figures too much. It's probably that Mack actually likes Major and sees a lot of potential in him. Guy is doing what he thinks is best and while I'm certain his legacy is now on his mind, he's not trying to hamstring the program to make himself look better.
Posted by OrangeBlood
Austin
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 12/18/12 at 12:17 pm to
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meh. I think people project their Machiavellian bullshite on public figures too much. It's probably that Mack actually likes Major and sees a lot of potential in him. Guy is doing what he thinks is best and while I'm certain his legacy is now on his mind, he's not trying to hamstring the program to make himself look better


Maybe but I think you'd be surprised at the lengths that Mack has gone to in order to protect his image as "Mack Brown Texas Football." Summoning multiple groups of media to his office to berate them and threaten them with restricting access to the program when even a hint of negativity is reported. Go check out what Brian Jones (former player, CBS Sports) has to say about that - he's been one of the summoned.

Mack does like Major and thinks he'll be a great coach, no doubt - but that may be just part of his pushing Major for the job when he leaves. And I tend to downplay all conspiracy theories.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 12/18/12 at 1:05 pm to
Back on the subject of Gary Barnett:

Colorado should have been in the national title game in 2001 over Nebraska (they beat Nebraska 62-14 and won the Big 12)

Barnett took Northwestern to the Rose Bowl and won the Big Ten.

I think he had one losing season (2000) with Colorado, but even that season he snapped the nation's longest home winning streak (at A&M).
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
Just across the water...
Member since Aug 2009
25057 posts
Posted on 12/18/12 at 1:10 pm to
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Colorado hasn't had a winning season (IIRC) since he was fired. That goes across 2 coaches.


The culture in Colorado plays a bigger part in this than most people realize. There's very little support for high school football in that state.
Posted by cfbfan#1
Member since Nov 2012
381 posts
Posted on 12/18/12 at 1:16 pm to
is manny diaz gone to fiu
Posted by tmc94
Member since Sep 2012
11559 posts
Posted on 12/18/12 at 1:20 pm to
oh, having a "personality" as a coach is a huge boon in college athletics since players come and go. He's aware of that and goes to great lengths to protect and enhance his image. The problem horns are having is that all the things he's done to enhance this over the years has been a source of pride and now you are through the looking glass and realize it's all bullshite. But it always has been. It's just that when it doesn't work it looks comically inept. He's not suddenly Machiavellian, you're just seeing who he's always been more clearly (the worst thing to happen to me was clearly recognizing who RC really was early and having to watch that guy coach us another 6 years).

On another note, I've met Mack a few times. He's a super nice guy and will glad hand all day. Didn't even mind that I was an Ag and even remembered me when we met again (it helps that the few times we've met I've been with a big booster I'm sure). While I have had a few pretty negative experiences with our own leadership, I genuinely liked Mack so maybe I'm the one not being objective
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
79978 posts
Posted on 12/18/12 at 1:33 pm to
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the worst thing to happen to me was clearly recognizing who RC really was early and having to watch that guy coach us another 6 years


You realized this in 1996 too?
Posted by OrangeBlood
Austin
Member since Sep 2005
800 posts
Posted on 12/18/12 at 1:57 pm to
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The problem horns are having is that all the things he's done to enhance this over the years has been a source of pride and now you are through the looking glass and realize it's all bullshite. But it always has been. It's just that when it doesn't work it looks comically inept.


I always knew a lot of the stuff he did was just kind of BS and done for show - that's all well and good when you're winning but when you're losing....

I've always respected Mack etc. and have no doubt that many people genuinely like him. Some of the stuff that's come out recently in the last couple years has really shown him in a different light to me. Maybe not as someone who is trying to hurt Texas of course but as someone who can't see that his own ego and need for approval IS, in fact, hurting the program (both in wins and losses and image).
Posted by OrangeBlood
Austin
Member since Sep 2005
800 posts
Posted on 12/18/12 at 1:59 pm to
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Back on the subject of Gary Barnett


Agree - Barnett is definitely underrated. Unfortunately the whole thing at Colorado will make him persona non grata with most big time programs. Too bad because the guy can coach - his one-back power running scheme was pretty damn good.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30193 posts
Posted on 12/18/12 at 2:59 pm to
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Applewhite would be a good candidate for a HC job at UNT or UTEP, not UT.
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I agree with you - my post above suggests that I'd be ok with Major...actually, I would much prefer someone with more experience. Major, for his own sake, needs to go the route you suggest and then, if he finds success, come back to Texas in the future (if he wants...by all accounts he wants to be the HC at Texas).

My point was that Mack's insecurity/ego is driving him to possibly "promote" Major as the next HC because, if Major is successful, Mack can sit back and take some credit for it. How do you think it looks if someone else comes in, let's say Petersen, and does well. Makes Mack look like more of an incompetent than he does now.
Lemmme get this straight, and correct me if I'm wrong... Major has been an Offensive Coordinator for one year under Saban at Bama - he's been a position coach at Texas - and folks are talking about him taking over one of the biggest, and most high-profile head coaching jobs in the nation?

Texas is HUGE, and they'd be willing to hire a guy that has zero experience as a HC, and has little to no experience running his own offense?

WTF?
Posted by cfbfan#1
Member since Nov 2012
381 posts
Posted on 12/18/12 at 3:08 pm to
the scariest hire texas could make is gary patterson. His teams run a run based spread which would take advantage of the talent texas has at rb, and he is as good at teaching defense as anybody, and texas is loaded on defense, they sucked this year on defense cause of horrible schemes and not tackling in practice which wouldnt happen under him.
Posted by OrangeBlood
Austin
Member since Sep 2005
800 posts
Posted on 12/18/12 at 4:12 pm to
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WTF?


WTF indeed.

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Major has been an Offensive Coordinator for one year under Saban at Bama


Correct and either he didn't call plays or if he did, I don't believe he was actually developing the game plan himself.

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he's been a position coach at Texas


mainly correct - his title was co-OC so he had input on the game plan with Harsin but not play calling responsibilities.

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folks are talking about him taking over one of the biggest, and most high-profile head coaching jobs in the nation


Unfortunately also correct - you'd be surprised (I have been) with the amount of people who would be ok with this. I've read of rationalizations for this - he's the same age as Darryl Royal was when he took over Texas, he's fiery and passionate, he "gets" Texas, look how well Muschamp has done, and, my personal favorite, he hates OU because he played here.

I do think more intelligent people (read: a new AD not named Deloss Dodds) will prevail and we'll get someone with more experience. I hope.
Posted by Uncle Stu
#AlbinoLivesMatter
Member since Aug 2004
33658 posts
Posted on 12/18/12 at 5:23 pm to
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Summoning multiple groups of media to his office to berate them and threaten them with restricting access to the program when even a hint of negativity is reported. Go check out what Brian Jones (former player, CBS Sports) has to say about that - he's been one of the summoned

...the old 1300AM, Chip Brown, Ketchum, that entire 1530AM debacle

there are way too many stories about how much Mack strongarms media folks that report non-sunshine pumping ideals for it not to have some truth to it
Posted by Jaketigger
Baton Rouge Area
Member since Feb 2008
5064 posts
Posted on 12/18/12 at 7:40 pm to
Sexton is negotiating with Texas as we write. They are the only school that can compete with nfl for salaries. My money is on little Nicky if he loses to Nd.
Posted by bamasgot13
Birmingham
Member since Feb 2010
13619 posts
Posted on 12/18/12 at 9:05 pm to
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Sexton is negotiating with Texas as we write. They are the only school that can compete with nfl for salaries. My money is on little Nicky if he loses to Nd.

Saban to Texas? Wow! That would be huge...if it were remotely possible. Since 2007 Saban was supposed to leave Bama for:
LSU, USC, OSU, Florida, wvu, ND, Texas (3x now), cowboys, browns.

Keep up hope though, bruh. It gets ya through the night.
Posted by T1gerWonder
Member since May 2011
4449 posts
Posted on 12/18/12 at 9:29 pm to
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LSU, USC, OSU, Florida, wvu, ND, Texas (3x now), cowboys, browns

Don't forget Penn St last year
Posted by Lago Tiger
Lago Vista Tx
Member since Jan 2011
1069 posts
Posted on 12/18/12 at 10:09 pm to
Texas could pay Mack 10mil. to step down and Nick 10 mil. a year and buy him a house in BeeCaves and wouldn't miss it .
Posted by Big12fan
Dallas
Member since Nov 2011
5340 posts
Posted on 12/18/12 at 10:25 pm to
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Texas could pay Mack 10mil. to step down and Nick 10 mil. a year and buy him a house in BeeCaves and wouldn't miss it .


Mack's buyout is $1.5 mil after 1-1-13. No need to overpay. Not buying the Saban stuff or the Sexton negotiations, but I suppose anything could happen after the bowl games.
Posted by cfbfan#1
Member since Nov 2012
381 posts
Posted on 12/19/12 at 3:06 pm to
texas should atleast make a run at spurrier. He wants to win a national championship and no matter how much he builds the south carolina program they always fall a little short. At texas he would walk into a buttload of talent + easy schedule and a chance at one last mnc
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
79978 posts
Posted on 12/19/12 at 10:31 pm to
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Big12fan


quote:

Texas A&M fan


Oh crap, the kiss of death...
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