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re: If Michigan is having so much trouble...

Posted on 1/5/11 at 11:31 am to
Posted by Stevo
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Posted on 1/5/11 at 11:31 am to
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yeah no way we could lure Patterson, Mullen, Pelini, Fitzgerald or Petersen away from their jobs... You don't think ANY of them would snatch up the opportunity?


we're about to find out.
Posted by Maximus
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Posted on 1/5/11 at 11:31 am to
Like losing kids in back to back years from Thibodaux, LA.
Posted by LSUmomma
Member since Sep 2007
8177 posts
Posted on 1/5/11 at 11:32 am to
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so don't frick the hire up.


so much easier said than done..


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LSU will end up with a good coach if Miles leaves.


we have a good coach.. and a "good" coach will never be good enough by LSU standards anyway...
Posted by Elleshoe
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Posted on 1/5/11 at 11:32 am to
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we're about to find out.


all I'm saying is we're gonna end up with someone good and respected. I think Florida and Miami both hired good coaches for their programs. I don't see why LSU would be any different.
Posted by Suntiger
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Posted on 1/5/11 at 11:33 am to
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yeah no way we could lure Patterson, Mullen, Pelini, Fitzgerald or Petersen away from their jobs... You don't think ANY of them would snatch up the opportunity?


I want to permaban anyone else who thinks we can get Gary Patterson away from TCU. Not happening people let it go. It's almost as frustrating as listening to people talk about putting Chad Jones at linebacker.

Chad Jones if a safety, Gruden is not going to coach a college team, the sky is blue and Gary Patterson is the coach at TCU.

Nothing against you personally shoe. You're a good poster, I just needed to vent.

Posted by Elleshoe
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Posted on 1/5/11 at 11:33 am to
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we have a good coach.


what does that have to do with the possibility of him leaving? I mean if he wants to go to UM he's going to go... We'll hire a suitable replacement.
Posted by Elleshoe
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Posted on 1/5/11 at 11:34 am to
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I want to permaban anyone else who thinks we can get Gary Patterson away from TCU. Not happening people let it go


tell me why you think there is no way he'd go to a bigger school that will double his salary.
Posted by LSUmomma
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 1/5/11 at 11:37 am to
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yeah no way we could lure Patterson, Mullen, Pelini, Fitzgerald or Petersen away from their jobs... You don't think ANY of them would snatch up the opportunity?



Oh yeah.. these guys are all still where they are and couldn't be lured to ND, Michigan, or FLORIDA.... which in many OBJECIVE circles could be seen as better jobs than LSU.

And I'm not saying that they were all offered (while some obviously were).. I'm just saying that LSU is not the coaching Nirvana that some people think it is, and that a slam dunk, no fail hire is about as easy as winning the power ball right now!
Posted by Suntiger
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Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 1/5/11 at 11:38 am to
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And how many of LSU's true standouts are that great "get" from OUT of state??? Not everyone can do that, either...


Patrick Peterson, K. Shepard, Mettinberger, Sam Montgomery, Ego, Copeland, R. Sheppard, R. Baker, Craig Loston, Kevin Minter, Joseph Barksdale, K. Boone, J. Gore, Perry Riley, J. Maclin, Spencer Ware, Brandon LaFell, Richard and Travis Dickson.

ETA: S. Ridley
This post was edited on 1/5/11 at 11:39 am
Posted by PinevilleTiger
Pineville, LA
Member since Sep 2005
6349 posts
Posted on 1/5/11 at 11:38 am to
Something else has to be going on at Thibodeaux High. There has to be some anti-LSU sentiment at that place. Look at West Monroe, it bleeds purple and gold because of its head coach, Don Shows. Thibodeaux needs a pro-LSU coach, and get away from the John Curtis mold!
Posted by TiegerTim
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2007
3077 posts
Posted on 1/5/11 at 11:38 am to
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since they have it in their head that it needs to be a Michigan man, they are really limiting themselves...

LSU wouldn't have these same limitations...
this

ETA: and no im not sucking up to the chicken
This post was edited on 1/5/11 at 11:40 am
Posted by Elleshoe
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Posted on 1/5/11 at 11:40 am to
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LSUmomma


isn't or wasn't your son an LSU walk-on?
Posted by Linkovich
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Member since Feb 2007
9548 posts
Posted on 1/5/11 at 11:43 am to
Momma,

IMO, there are several reason why LSU could get a better coach at this point in time...

1. Rich Rod has screwed that program to high hell. They are looking at some NCAA sanctions; his recruiting does not fit majority of coaches schemes. It's a 3 year rebuilding program and all though it is a storied program it's going to take a coach some serious work to build that program. Even busting tail it's not given that there is an available coach that will be able to handle this task.

2. LSU is talented and is looking to bring in another top five program. Much of this is a credit to our staffs recruiting ability, but a good bit of it is LSU being the only large school in the state. It helps that LA produces a bunch of talent. Michigan has to recruit nationally. When the program is back up, it won't have a problem doing this, but it will take a strong coach to get it there.

3. Right now LSU has shown a bit more willingness to spend on it's program. Not just head coaching, but also assistant coaching, facilities, etc.

4. Lloyd Carr...LSU doesn't have him and he is really screwing Michigan some kind of bad. He needs to be shown the door.

5. SEC ball. Most coaches I know want to play and beat the best. Where better to do it then in the SEC. Look at the HC talent in the SEC. Enough said.

I will say this though. LSU will be in a bind at this point in time too if Les does leave. This time of year is the arse end of the carousel and most coaches have tipped their hand with the UF and Miami opening.
This post was edited on 1/5/11 at 11:45 am
Posted by Suntiger
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Posted on 1/5/11 at 11:45 am to
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I want to permaban anyone else who thinks we can get Gary Patterson away from TCU. Not happening people let it go


tell me why you think there is no way he'd go to a bigger school that will double his salary.


TCU can pay more than LSU. (TCU's endowment is $1 billion + dollars and LSU is around half of that.)

TCU is going to the Big East and will have an easy run to a BCS game every year. Not the same story in the SEC.

TCU fans love him, where half of the LSU fans would hate him.

TCU is in a good recruiting situation. LSU is to, but that's a push.

Patterson has built up TCU and has been there since '98 with Dennis Franchione. (oh yeah, how did Franchione do once he left TCU? Not so well, huh.)

He's in a good situation and getting paid bank and just won the Rose Bowl. The better question is why would he leave?
Posted by Elleshoe
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Posted on 1/5/11 at 11:48 am to
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TCU can pay more than LSU. (TCU's endowment is $1 billion + dollars and LSU is around half of that.)


could but won't come near 3.5 million. Huge difference between what a school will and won't do. That kind of salary for a football coach is considered insane to most outside of the SEC (short of UT, OU etc...)

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CU is going to the Big East and will have an easy run to a BCS game every year. Not the same story in the SEC.


some coaches actually prefer the tougher job because it comes with more glory. Plus look at Cincinnati who went undefeated and didn't make the NCG

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TCU fans love him, where half of the LSU fans would hate him.


no offense but this wouldn't even be a consideration of his

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getting paid bank


less than half of what Miles makes.

Posted by LSUmomma
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 1/5/11 at 11:56 am to
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Linkovich


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Momma,

IMO, there are several reason why LSU could get a better coach at this point in time...


Thanks for your thoughtful comments, and I agree with you.

My concern is not about LSU getting a better coach than Michigan.. it's about getting a better coach for LSU...

Alot of people thought that RR would have been a great hire in Baton Rouge 3 years ago.. I fear he would have screwed us into sanctions..

People talk about LSU being a huge draw for a coach, but honestly, we can't be that much more attractive on a national scale than Florida was-- and Florida didn't get any of the hot "sexy" names that are thrown around here as possibles IF Coach Miles leaves.

I'm just saying that a really solid head coaching hire is a LOT more allusive than people seem to think!


quote:

I will say this though. LSU will be in a bind at this point in time too if Les does leave. This time of year is the arse end of the carousel and most coaches have tipped their hand with the UF and Miami opening.



point.... meet nutshell./
Posted by Suntiger
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Member since Feb 2007
35455 posts
Posted on 1/5/11 at 12:07 pm to
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getting paid bank


less than half of what Miles makes.


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could but won't come near 3.5 million. Huge difference between what a school will and won't do. That kind of salary for a football coach is considered insane to most outside of the SEC (short of UT, OU etc...)


I'm sure he get's "incentives" from boosters and the big money from TCU and TCU would give him a raise and extension if LSU would come calling.


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TCU fans love him, where half of the LSU fans would hate him.

no offense but this wouldn't even be a consideration of his


Job security? Absolutely! Miles just won 10 games lossing to the #2 team and #9 team in the country and people want to run him out of town. Patterson could go 6-6 the next two or three years before people would say anything.

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look at Cincinnati who went undefeated and didn't make the NCG


Yeah, but TCU was already in the discussion for the championship game this year if Oregon or Auburn would have lost. If they are in the Big East, they will likely get that chance. WVU was one win away from the BCS National Championship game a few years ago.
Posted by tojoe
Scott
Member since Oct 2010
335 posts
Posted on 1/5/11 at 12:09 pm to
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Who the hell do you think is responsible for all that talent at LSU???


Well I certainly helped!!!!!!
Posted by Elleshoe
Wade’s World
Member since Jun 2004
143780 posts
Posted on 1/5/11 at 12:11 pm to
Just saying he'd have to listen to LSU at the least. Would he come here? I don't know. But I think to say that there is absolutely no shot is sort of wrong.
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
Just across the water...
Member since Aug 2009
25057 posts
Posted on 1/5/11 at 12:14 pm to
With respect to everyone's opinion, the OP has a a valid concern.

Look at what USC, Notre Dame, Tennessee, Florida, and Miami went through their coaching searches and eventually hired. Did any of those schools get a slam dunk, ball out of the park, no brains winner of a hire?

Notre Dame might have made the best hire, and the jury is still out on Kelly. In every other case, it looks like the school reached, or settled for an unknown quantity.

What makes Tiger fans believe we would do any better?
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