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re: Explain to me why........
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:23 pm to Ron Mexico
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:23 pm to Ron Mexico
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actually, his offense in year one at louisville, when he had nfl quality talent, was extremely potent, they just had a MISERABLE defense
and currently, louisvilles offensive personnel is garbage, hence the shitty numbers
so is he more of a diamond in the rough guy?
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Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:26 pm to FootballNostradamus
Totally agree
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:27 pm to TigahFan4Life
I'm excited that LSU is talking to other potential OCs, but is Kragthorpe the answer? That offense went way downhill about a year after Petrino left.
And Tulsa had a terrific offense 2 years ago when Malzahn took it over.
What's so great about the guy?
And Tulsa had a terrific offense 2 years ago when Malzahn took it over.
What's so great about the guy?
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:32 pm to TigahFan4Life
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quote: actually, his offense in year one at louisville, when he had nfl quality talent, was extremely potent, they just had a MISERABLE defense and currently, louisvilles offensive personnel is garbage, hence the shitty numbers
But who's fault is it that Lousiville had shitty personnel? He did have 3 years as head coach. Can he not recruit?
I'm not trying to be a dick, but if Tulsa improved after he left, I don't see why this guy would be such a sought after OC.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:37 pm to Baloo
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I just want a guy who isn't obsessed with his own genius. I swear, I've never understood the virtue of a run-of-the-mill offesnive co-ordiantor until Crowton. Just line up and play.
Anything would be an improvement. Just let our players play.
:kige:
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:38 pm to Dignan
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if Tulsa improved after he left
Why is this a bad thing? If a coach turned around Temple, and they continued to improve for a couple of years after he left, would you count that against him too?
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:41 pm to Doc Fenton
Yea, Tulsa improved greatly when he got there.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:41 pm to Dignan
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What's so great about the guy?
From what I hear he uses something called a 'screen pass' or something
apparently the linemen dont block anyone and you throw it to a rb that sneaks behind the defensive line. Sounds pretty off the wall, but hey you never know, it just might catch on with the rest of the NCAA.Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:43 pm to Dignan
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But who's fault is it that Lousiville had shitty personnel? He did have 3 years as head coach. Can he not recruit?
i know pioneer will disagree with me here
bobby petrino was a disciplinarian that had the fear of god in his players ON THE FIELD. problem was, he didnt give a frick what they did off the field as long as they didnt interfere with the football program
when kragthorpe got here, he had to kick numerous players off the team. for grades, detrimental conduct, etc. frick, one player held up a gas station at gun point in his home town. it was really bad
so kragthorpe had to fill up the team, and had to go with some juco guys, which are hit or miss, and there have been some misses up here.
i honestly think that krag is a very good offensive mind, as was evident at tulsa, he just doesnt have the guys anymore
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:43 pm to Doc Fenton
i'd like to hear belowpar's opinion on this
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:49 pm to TigahFan4Life
1. He can develop QBs.
2. He runs a pro-style offense.
3. His offense was potent at Tulsa.
4. He's not Gary Crowton.
2. He runs a pro-style offense.
3. His offense was potent at Tulsa.
4. He's not Gary Crowton.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:50 pm to Ninja Looter
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Gary Crowton.
not do defend him, but IMO, Crowton has a better background. (meaning before LSU, and at least his first 2 years here)
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:52 pm to Doc Fenton
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Why is this a bad thing? If a coach turned around Temple, and they continued to improve for a couple of years after he left, would you count that against him too?
Tulsa's offense improved tremendously not only in '07, but '08 as well, two years after Kragthorpe left. Gus Malzhan took over as Tulsa's OC and did a MUCH better job than Kragthorpe.
Then Krag goes to Louisville and they had downhill three straight seasons.
So, let's recap. He leaves Tulsa and the Golden Hurricanes offense steadily improves. He arrives in Louisville and their offense declines three straight years.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:53 pm to Dignan
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He arrives in Louisville and their offense declines three straight years.
I'm with you.
IMO, Crowton > Kragthorpe
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:53 pm to TigahFan4Life
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not do defend him, but IMO, Crowton has a better background. (meaning before LSU, and at least his first 2 years here)
Good post. I'm not disagreeing that Crowton should be kept, but he had a really nice resume before arriving in BR.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:54 pm to Dignan
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Good post. I'm not disagreeing that Crowton should be kept, but he had a really nice resume before arriving in BR.
thanks, I think if we are gonna go looking, we need to start with better than what we have
Posted on 12/6/09 at 3:04 pm to TigahFan4Life
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Stud
definitely the missing link
FIFY
This post was edited on 12/6/09 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 12/6/09 at 3:06 pm to TigahFan4Life
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thanks, I think if we are gonna go looking, we need to start with better than what we have
lol
louisville under kragthorpe in 2007 (and lsu has better players than louisvilel mind you)
6th in yards per game at 501
4th in passing yards per game at 355
65th in rushing yards per game at 146 (passing offense mind you)
19th in ppg at 35
so before you spout off mindless drivel, check out the stats
ypg went up from 06-07
passing ypg went up from 06-07
rushing ypg went down from 06-07
ppg went down by 2 points from 06-07
so no, his offense didnt get worse all around in his first year
Posted on 12/6/09 at 3:10 pm to Ron Mexico
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so no, his offense didnt get worse all around in his first year
Now post his stats the past two years. Then we can see the full effect of what happened after Bobby Petrino left.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 3:13 pm to TigahFan4Life
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thanks, I think if we are gonna go looking, we need to start with better than what we have
Anybody is better than what we have. I think the issue is how good Kragthorpe is compared to other potential hires. Let's not even bring Crowton into the discussion here.
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