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re: Doesn't TCU run a 4-2-5?
Posted on 11/4/08 at 10:39 am to Colonel Hapablap
Posted on 11/4/08 at 10:39 am to Colonel Hapablap
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as I understand it, a 4-2-5 replaces a LB with a safery. A 4-3 nickel is supposed to replace a LB with a corner.
The general concept behind any nickel package is to include a fifth defensive back into your scheme, whether it be a SS, FS, or CB, that's at the discretion of the defensive coordinator.
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Posted on 11/4/08 at 10:40 am to brad8504
quote:
The general concept behind any nickel package is to include a fifth defensive back into your scheme, whether it be a SS, FS, or CB, that's at the discretion of the defensive coordinator.
Yup
Posted on 11/4/08 at 10:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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4-2-5 is not the nickel
Agreed. But it's not apples and oranges, either. It isn't like Bumpas would come in and have to try to totally overhaul the defense on a conceptual level. He'd be remodeling, not building.
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or the need to have speed rushers on the edge
Could be. That's why I'm not sure if the smaller DE's are a philosophical choice, or one mandated by who TCU has access to, recruiting-wise.
quote:
undersized DEs get a bad rap on this board b/c people idolize size
Not from me. I wouldn't be wild about a doctrinal decision to have 2 guys at 240 apiece on the edge on 1st and 2nd downs. I'd be concerned about getting swept and screened to death, esp. by teams with mobile OG.
But I'd be OK with one, the way the 49ers used to use the "elephant" position back in the day.
Really, the biggest issue is that Bumpas and Patterson have been together a long time - back to when Patterson was a position coach under Bumpas at DC. He may not leave for $$$, and in fact could easily follow Patterson to wherever he ends up in 2009.
Posted on 11/4/08 at 10:44 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
yup
you're running 2-LB, 4-S sets (which we technically run, but not really)
it's a 4-2 with 2 Ss flanking the OLBs and 1 deep S, with CBs playing on the far outside
our "nickel" uses a 3rd safety normally, but that safety is lined up as a NB (which is a CB)
You're babbling at this point. A nickel back is not a cornerback. There is no law or rule that states the "nickel back" has to be a cornerback.
The whole philosophy of a nickel package is not as obscure as you're making it out to be.
"Which we technically run, but not really,".....
I believe this is an oxymoronic statement.Posted on 11/4/08 at 10:46 am to brad8504
SFP reaches around more than JPLSU
This post was edited on 11/4/08 at 10:50 am
Posted on 11/4/08 at 10:46 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I fugured you build a philosophy around the type of talent you have. But later down the road don't you start recruiting the talent to fit the scheme you want to run?
as of our our talent is built around a 4-3 D
Posted on 11/4/08 at 10:55 am to L S Usetheforce
You know what he's going to do now, right? He's going to sit there and remain idle until the next moron comes along and starts mouthing some insignificant, incongruent bullshite. If someone else's opinion isn't corresponding with his preconceived notions, it's obviously a fallacy.
Posted on 11/4/08 at 10:58 am to brad8504
He is either doing that or like I said googling up some 4-2-5 technical talk and control C like a mofo.
The 4-2-5 would be sick this year.
Imagine:
--------Rahem alem RJF Alexander Jackson---------
PP----CJ-------Shep------Beckwith-----Coleman--JE
----------Taylor----------------Hatcher
The 4-2-5 would be sick this year.
Imagine:
--------Rahem alem RJF Alexander Jackson---------
PP----CJ-------Shep------Beckwith-----Coleman--JE
----------Taylor----------------Hatcher
This post was edited on 11/4/08 at 11:09 am
Posted on 11/4/08 at 11:00 am to brad8504
but the difference between a nickel and a 5th DB in the 4-2-5 is that a nickel is stictly a coverage guy, and the 5th guy in the 4-2-5 isnt not. More of a hybrid LB/S that can play every down. Or at least 1st and 2nd down
Posted on 11/4/08 at 11:02 am to Lester Earl
So thats what happens then Earl when you go to a 4-2-5 nickel when you replace a safety with a corner.
It's just terminology.
It's just terminology.
This post was edited on 11/4/08 at 11:04 am
Posted on 11/4/08 at 11:03 am to L S Usetheforce
you go from the 4-2-5 base defense to nickel coverage the same way you go from a 4-3 to nickel coverage in passing situations
Posted on 11/4/08 at 11:03 am to L S Usetheforce
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Shep
I like Riley in there. He covers the field well, working sideline-to-sideline.
I also like the express package we have for the front four (Alem, Jackson, Johnson and, Pittman). Hell, that's practically integrating the general philosophy behind the 2-4-5 and the 4-2-5 if you match that front with the back 7 you mentioned.
Posted on 11/4/08 at 11:05 am to brad8504
Your probably right about Riley. I like his play and his instinct. He reads and reacts well.
Posted on 11/4/08 at 11:07 am to L S Usetheforce
quote:
you go from the 4-2-5 base defense to nickel coverage the same way you go from a 4-3 to nickel coverage in passing situations
Yes, Slow was arguing that the 4-2-5 is not a nickel D because he knows jack about jack in between the hashes. Brad and I were simplying pointing out what you happen to articulate perfectly.
Posted on 11/4/08 at 11:08 am to Lester Earl
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but the difference between a nickel and a 5th DB in the 4-2-5 is that a nickel is stictly a coverage guy, and the 5th guy in the 4-2-5 isnt not. More of a hybrid LB/S that can play every down. Or at least 1st and 2nd down
Different strokes for different folks, LE. Like force said, it's all terminology. As a means to disguise what your defense is trying to do, a guy like Chad Jones can roam around the box and work side-to-side, cover the TE, slot, RB, spy the QB, blitz off the edge, stunt off the edges, play contain, etc... He's there for run support, but he's there for coverage if you need him.
Posted on 11/4/08 at 11:10 am to L S Usetheforce
I told you SFP was going to remain quiet. 
But, hey, don't say anything about read and react. The folks around here don't like that kind of talk. They like BLITZ BLITZ BLITZ!
But, hey, don't say anything about read and react. The folks around here don't like that kind of talk. They like BLITZ BLITZ BLITZ!
Posted on 11/4/08 at 11:11 am to brad8504
Well when I was at football camp with Tepper.........I know I know.........and also from Karl D and other coaches that worked with us then we simply used the term nickel as a 5th defensive back.
I guess it can be interpreted the way Blank and LE put it but in the end.
THE 4-2-5 is the shite.
P.S. I also got a signed copy of Complete Linebacking from him He loved me.
when I was at football camp with Tepper.........I know I know.........and also from Karl D and other coaches that worked with us then we simply used the term nickel as a 5th defensive back. I guess it can be interpreted the way Blank and LE put it but in the end.
THE 4-2-5 is the shite.
P.S. I also got a signed copy of Complete Linebacking from him
He loved me.This post was edited on 11/4/08 at 11:13 am
Posted on 11/4/08 at 11:13 am to L S Usetheforce
quote:
Your probably right about Riley. I like his play and his instinct. He reads and reacts well.
Shep just kind of left me awestruck, and rather disappointed after the Georgia game. His tackling was poor, he over-pursued at times, and he just looked lost out there.
Posted on 11/4/08 at 11:14 am to brad8504
quote:
Different strokes for different folks, LE. Like force said, it's all terminology
i know its terminology
there's a reason that they call it 2 different things
because they are different.
Posted on 11/4/08 at 11:15 am to L S Usetheforce
Karl Dunbar was/is the shite. I remember meeting him at Nichols State Lineman Camp back in '02 while he was still at Oklahoma State. That guy is all business, all the time. I like his demeanor and approach to the game. If LSU could bring him back as the DC, I would be tickled to death. Karl is truly a class act.
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