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Your thoughts on Infinite Jest

Posted on 11/1/24 at 6:34 pm
Posted by Adajax
Member since Nov 2015
7363 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 6:34 pm
This book has been on my list for a while. I started to pick it up from the library but looked at the reviews on Amazon and Goodreads and started wondering if it is worth the trouble. IJ seems to be a love it or hate it novel and I'm not 100% sure it's up my alley.

I'm simultaneously reading two 800+ page biographies of Abraham Lincoln and I just finished War and Peace. I don't want to waste my time on another 1000 page novel if it sucks. Can anyone here give it a solid thumbs up?
Posted by Tigris
Cloud Cuckoo Land
Member since Jul 2005
12808 posts
Posted on 11/2/24 at 11:50 am to
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IJ seems to be a love it or hate it novel and I'm not 100% sure it's up my alley.


Yeah, when I finished it I threw the book in the ocean because I was so pissed with the ending. And it was a real slog to get through. But parts of it were so compelling I had to go back and give it another go. Now I'd say it is my favorite book and I've probably read it 7 or 8 times. But I'd say it's not for everyone and you'd better be willing to invest a LOT of time. There's a lot of dark humor and it's very funny at times. And other times it's quite sad and tragic and deals with addiction and depression. It also has a couple of hundred pages of footnotes, some of them long and with their own footnotes. Don't expect to really understand it without a re-read or two at least. But I also think it is worth it.
Posted by hogfly
Fayetteville, AR
Member since May 2014
4910 posts
Posted on 11/2/24 at 1:42 pm to
I mean… it’s great. DFW writes some amazing prose (I really like his non fiction essays/articles). If you don’t like postmodern fiction though, it can be off putting.
Posted by BogDaHOg
Member since Aug 2023
31 posts
Posted on 11/4/24 at 10:33 pm to
375 pages in. Some of it is a real slog. There are moments that are so clever that they keep me reading, but often times I resent the book. His energy for words is amazing, but dang it could be a perfect book if he just used the best 300 pages.
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Posted by Tigris
Cloud Cuckoo Land
Member since Jul 2005
12808 posts
Posted on 11/5/24 at 12:26 pm to
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375 pages in. Some of it is a real slog. There are moments that are so clever that they keep me reading, but often times I resent the book.


Yep, I suspect most first time reads are like that, it certainly was for me. At 375 pages you around or just finished the Eschaton chapter which is one of the funniest things I've ever read. Making an Infinite Jest movie would be pretty impossible, but there is a very good music video of the Eschaton scene.



I will say that Infinite Jest on the first read was an easier, and far more enjoyable book than Gravity's Rainbow. That's one I had to force myself through and mostly resent; and have no intention of reading again.
Posted by hogfly
Fayetteville, AR
Member since May 2014
4910 posts
Posted on 11/5/24 at 3:04 pm to
I "enjoyed" Gravity's Rainbow in the way that you're supposed to enjoy a difficult, trying book, but I really authentically liked Against the Day.

For anyone who hasn't ever read DFW's non-fiction, I can't recommend the collection of A Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again highly enough if you enjoy his "funny" writing.

"Shipping Out" which was originally published in Harper's is available here:
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Finally... if you like wildly verbose writers with complex prose.. check out Neal Stephenson if you haven't already. I really, really love the Baroque Cycle... but Seveneves is also fantastic.
Posted by Tigris
Cloud Cuckoo Land
Member since Jul 2005
12808 posts
Posted on 11/6/24 at 7:22 am to
I thought Against the Day was a lot of fun. The local library had it on CD and I listened to it on a long road trip. It's interesting you bring up Neal Stephenson. He's a favorite and I just finished his new book - Polostan and went through it on audio twice. It's not typical Stephenson really; it's more historical and set in the same era as Against the Day and explores a lot of the same idea. It's book one of a series and he seems to be setting things up for the development of nuclear weapons, and the arms race. It's probably closest to Cryptonomicon out of his past work; and that's one I loved from the beginning and one of my favorites ever. Polostan is no Cryptonomicon but it's good in its own way.

And agreed that DFW's nonfiction can be really fun. I've read pretty much everything he's done, including The Pale King which was rarely fun, and that seemed to be intentional.
Posted by Wasp
Off Highland rd.
Member since Sep 2012
1520 posts
Posted on 11/11/24 at 2:30 pm to
I enjoyed Infinite Jest more than Gravity’s Rainbow. I watched a few YouTube videos before during and after the read to make sure I was getting it and help on the way.

A book I enjoyed more than both though was JR by William Gaddis. Hilarious book. Currently working my way through The Recognitions which I do not like as much as JR but is supposed to be inspiration for both IJ and GR.
Posted by Tigris
Cloud Cuckoo Land
Member since Jul 2005
12808 posts
Posted on 11/13/24 at 6:32 am to
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JR by William Gaddis


OK, ordered on Audible.

One I'll throw out is Underworld by Don DeLillo. David Foster Wallace was a fan of DeLillo's and they wrote to each other fairly often. Supposedly DFW paid homage to DeLillo with some of the content of Infinite Jest, not sure exactly where, maybe with the waste disposal theme. Underworld is really not difficult, and the first section is brilliant.
Posted by hogfly
Fayetteville, AR
Member since May 2014
4910 posts
Posted on 11/13/24 at 1:58 pm to
Agreed. You can have White Noise. I’ll pick Underworld over it any day.
This post was edited on 11/13/24 at 7:11 pm
Posted by Wasp
Off Highland rd.
Member since Sep 2012
1520 posts
Posted on 11/14/24 at 9:42 am to
Please come back to this when you finished it. I’m curious how it is on audiobook. There is no speaker attribution for the dialog so when reading you have to pick up on language to know who is talking.

I read white noise by Delillo but did t really enjoy it. I’ll have to check out underworld.
Posted by Tigris
Cloud Cuckoo Land
Member since Jul 2005
12808 posts
Posted on 11/14/24 at 12:23 pm to
OK, I'll let you know, probably will start next week with a long Thanksgiving drive. Sometimes for difficult books Audible is the best way; it's the only way I could get through Gravity's Rainbow. JR gets very high reviews for the narrator on Audible.

I liked White Noise fairly well, some good dark humor like the Hilter studies and the weird son. It's really the opening section at the World Series game that sets Underworld apart for me.
Posted by Tigris
Cloud Cuckoo Land
Member since Jul 2005
12808 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 12:30 pm to
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Please come back to this when you finished it. I’m curious how it is on audiobook.


(This is about JR by Gaddis)

I'm half way through (18 hours of the 36 left to go), and decided to give it a rest. The audiobook is probably much easier to get through than reading the book, because the audiobook makes very clear who the speaker is. It's really not difficult, but I have to say that I'm pretty meh on the book. Partly because it was written in 1975 and it feels like it's going over territory that has been beaten to death since then. Other than being dated, a few of the characters are speaking more in the voice style of the 1930's rather than the 1970's which is a bit odd. Honestly I'm pretty bored with the scenes featuring the principal and the stock brokerage. JR is fun though, and I generally like the scenes with Gibbs and the aunts. JR's story reminds me of the RAMJAC story line that Vonnegut used in Jailbird a few years later. I'll probably finish it at some point, but I'd just had enough and was on a long drive. I started Dungeon Crawler Carl instead, and that made the drive a lot less tedious.
Posted by BogDaHOg
Member since Aug 2023
31 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 11:37 pm to
Funny you mention Gravity's rainbow. I was gifted a copy, and I'm dreading starting it. I want to read some Pynchon, but I need something more accessible. Maybe the "lot" one?
Posted by hogfly
Fayetteville, AR
Member since May 2014
4910 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 8:26 am to
Try Slow Learner which is a collection of short stories.
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