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Malazan Book of the Fallen

Posted on 1/21/19 at 11:11 am
Posted by Saskwatch
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Posted on 1/21/19 at 11:11 am
Recently downloaded the first 4 books for Kindle. I am roughly two weeks into reading "Garden of the Moon" and it is slow going. I'm really at a loss envisioning the characters and getting a lay of the land. Is it just me or did others have the same experience starting out?
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 11:14 am
Posted by DestrehanTiger
Houston, TX by way of Louisiana
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 1/21/19 at 11:35 am to
I had the same issue, and I never went back. Most on here will say the first book is tough, but it gets better over time and is totally worth it. I'll probably give it another go one day.
Posted by Saskwatch
Member since Feb 2016
16570 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 11:40 am to
I needed something else to read after LOTR, GOT (read multiple times over), Sanderson novels (Storm Light and Mist Born), and KingKiller Chronicles.

I hope the switch turns after I get further into it.
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 11:41 am
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 12:00 pm to
Its not an "easy" read, he drops you in and you kind of just have to go along. But the payoff is incredible - the scope and implications of his world are second to none. There were multiple times i closed the book and just sort of processed something he had just done. The second book in the series is probably the best favorite fantasy book i've ever read - but its a real love it or hate it series.

One word of advice, don't try and read the series in one go. Get through 3 books, switch to something else, then go back for the next 2 or 3. To me they were more challenging reads than most typical fantasy.
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 1/21/19 at 12:01 pm to
Glad someone started this thread.

I am about 2/3 through the second book, Deadhouse Gates.

I agree that GotM was not an easy read. You are just thrown right into the middle of the world and the siege of Pale, I had no idea what was happening and even at the end I still wasn’t sure who all the characters were or how to make sense of what I read.

That said, I did enjoy many of the I dividual scenes in the book.

And I had heard from many that the first book is the hardest to get through.

I would stick it out through the second book before bailing on the series.

I find Deadhouse Gates much easier to follow and the world is beginning to make sense.


Still would say it’s probably not for everyone. But I am liking book 2 and will read book 3 soon after I’m done.
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 12:05 pm
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 12:27 pm to
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I agree that GotM was not an easy read. You are just thrown right into the middle of the world and the siege of Pale, I had no idea what was happening and even at the end I still wasn’t sure who all the characters were or how to make sense of what I read.



You kind of just have to push through and figure it out at the end - he isn't great at imagery, his stories are more driven by a unique world with really big ideas and powerful characters
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 7:44 am to
This series is my favorite fantasy series of all time but I got into it in a weird way. I picked up Memories or Ice (book 3) at an airport and just dove in. I then picked up 2, then 1. Then 4. Having gone in the order 3, 2, 1, the first book wasn’t in the same stratosphere as 2 and 3, which are 2 of my favorites in the series. The bouncing around from continent to continent whole books at a time was also challenging early on.

The books are more
1a (1) 1b (2)
2a (3) 2b (4)
3 (5)
Then they tend to follow the entire world (6-10) except for book 8 which strays off the path a good bit.

I’d honestly say people who enjoy this genre are doing themselves a huge disservice if they don’t get to books 2 and 3...but I’d understand if they jumped off at 1 or at other parts in the series.
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
12723 posts
Posted on 1/22/19 at 7:56 am to
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his stories are more driven by a unique world with really big ideas and powerful characters


This is what makes the series imo. Characters like Quick Ben, Cotillion, Tool, Rake, Shadowthrone are so outside the realm of your normal fantasy characters. He does such a great job delving into their intricacies that they come off larger than life. There are also your standard fantasy characters like Coltaine, Whiskeyjack, Fiddler that you get emotionally invested in.

He’s certainly more of a concept writer than a storyteller. Book 1 just doesn’t accentuate much of his strengths as you are getting introduced to the characters and not delving into their uniqueness.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 1/22/19 at 2:29 pm to
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He’s certainly more of a concept writer than a storyteller.


Excellent way to put it, I was having trouble finding the right words.
Posted by auyushu
Surprise, AZ
Member since Jan 2011
8597 posts
Posted on 1/22/19 at 7:11 pm to
quote:

Recently downloaded the first 4 books for Kindle. I am roughly two weeks into reading "Garden of the Moon" and it is slow going. I'm really at a loss envisioning the characters and getting a lay of the land. Is it just me or did others have the same experience starting out?




I generally suggest people start with book 2 and then go to book 1 second, just because it's hard for many to get into the first book due to him just throwing you into the action with no infodumps. I dug the heck out of it, but it's not for everyone, and the second book is a much better book.
Posted by Froman
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2007
36220 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 12:14 am to
I had trouble getting into it. It is well written and I enjoyed it, but I put it down and never went back for some reason. I usually get sucked into the world of whatever I'm reading and this one didn't really do it for me I guess, so it was easy to let go.
Posted by LoveThatMoney
Who knows where?
Member since Jan 2008
12268 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 10:53 am to
The first book is a miasma that made me never get into the other books. Apparently they are better and provide a grounding for the world and the goings on, but Book 1 is, frankly, just not that great.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 11:35 am to
It's not bad when you go back and read it again understanding what is going on. Lower mid level of series probably
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43338 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 2:12 pm to
quote:

I am roughly two weeks into reading "Garden of the Moon" and it is slow going. I'm really at a loss envisioning the characters and getting a lay of the land. Is it just me or did others have the same experience starting out?



Yup, I think pretty much all of us die-hard Malazan fans faced the same thing you are. It's actually a literary technique called in media res, although I'm not sure it was a good idea to use it in his very first book of the series.

As others have said, keep charging through it. The payoff is very, very much worth it. And once you get a good handle on the world/characters, Gardens of the Moon makes much more sense.

I've probably read the entire series four or five times now, and I still end up finding things I missed in the previous reads. To say the series is dense is an understatement.
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:51 pm to
Have about 50 or so pages left in Deadhouse Gates. M

100% would say don’t give up after GotM. Book 2 is really really good.




SPOILERS:


















Had to stop reading last night after the death of Coltaine. Was so pissed off that after all he did, making sure that all the refugees in the Chain of Dogs made it to Aren, the Pormqual just let him and the rest die at the walls of the city.

If there is anyone in the series more heroic than Coltaine, I can’t wait to read about it.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:26 pm to
I'd say yes, Book 3 has a lot of heroics for sure as does the last one - reaching, but not surpassing Coltaine. Most of them have some level of heroics - Book 4, 6 and/or 7 but not quite to the same level.
This post was edited on 1/24/19 at 2:27 pm
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43338 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 4:08 pm to
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If there is anyone in the series more heroic than Coltaine, I can’t wait to read about it.




Wait until you meet Beak.

ETA: Coltaine was amazing...but Beak. Beak is something else entirely. I've never teared up from a book, until him.
This post was edited on 1/24/19 at 4:11 pm
Posted by auyushu
Surprise, AZ
Member since Jan 2011
8597 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:14 pm to
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Wait until you meet Beak.


Gonna have to throw out Trull Sengar as well if we are talking about selfless Malazan hero badasses.

But to add on to the others Memphis, you've just hit the beginning of the heroic action in Malazan, though the Chain of Dogs in DG isn't really topped per say, just matched at times.
This post was edited on 1/24/19 at 7:15 pm
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:18 am to
I think one of the differences in all that is that you essentially stick with Coltaine throughout Deadhouse Gates so you are very invested in his storyline by the end. A lot of the other heroic storylines are developed over multiple books I think and/or you are jumping around a lot more to different viewpoints in the book - which slightly alters your perception IMO.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43338 posts
Posted on 1/25/19 at 9:47 am to
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Gonna have to throw out Trull Sengar as well if we are talking about selfless Malazan hero badasses.


I definitely agree. There are just so many absolute gut punches in the series.

Number one for me is the Snake, and I don't even have kids.
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