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baybeefeetz
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True or False: "The President has authority to respond to the imminent threat

posed by al Qaeda and its associated forces."

For a more challenging t or f, take this one (with specificity, if you please:

Were the target of a lethal operation (overseas against an al qaeda planner) a US citizen with rights under the 4th amendment, that individual's citizenship would not immunize him from a lethal operation.


constant cough
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re: True or False: "The President has authority to respond to the imminent threat
The President himself is the threat.


JohnnyKilroy
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re: True or False: "The President has authority to respond to the imminent threat
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Were the target of a lethal operation (overseas against an al qaeda planner) a US citizen with rights under the 4th amendment, that individual's citizenship would not immunize him from a lethal operation.



Lethal force would be ok if he was engaged and resisted with violent/lethal force.

If the government is going in to specifically eliminate him with 0 attempt made to extradite/arrest/whatever then no, lethal force is not okay in this situation.



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Bmath
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re: True or False: "The President has authority to respond to the imminent threat
Doesn't the military take an oath to to protect against all threats both foreign and domestic?

However, I think targeted killing without any due process is a slippery slope.


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kingbob
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re: True or False: "The President has authority to respond to the imminent threat
If it is not an American citizen, of course. Then you have to abide by the War Powers Act and get clearance from respective countries if you have to violate their air space.

If it is an American citizen, you have to arrest them and charge them with treason (possibly attempt extradition), and then try them. If they're guilty and your intelligence is good, they will be found guilty and executed. If your intelligence is bad and they are not a terrorist, then they will walk. That's the way it is supposed to work.


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MoreOrLes
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re: True or False: "The President has authority to respond to the imminent threat
True

And its unconstitutional IMO


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CGSC Lobotomy
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re: True or False: "The President has authority to respond to the imminent threat
Define "respond" first.


baybeefeetz
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re: True or False: "The President has authority to respond to the imminent threat
bomb or shoot


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hawkster
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re: True or False: "The President has authority to respond to the imminent threat
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The President himself is the threat.


Put Hal 9000 logic into a drone and let it decide how to handle the president.

Image: http://ifaq.wap.org/posters/hal1.gif


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Zed
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re: True or False: "The President has authority to respond to the imminent threat
If the target of the operation is a US citizen, an attempt at apprehension should be made IMO.


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Broketec
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re: True or False: "The President has authority to respond to the imminent threat
So no one flinches when we shoot Alqueda on the ground, face to face or when we drone strike insurgents...

But if one of those insurgents that are part of Alqueda happens to be a U.S. Citizen who basically told america to go frick itself, we should go in with hand cuffs and try to capture him so we can just kill him later?

I understand the slippery slope blahty blah...but if a citizen is now a member of Alqueda, why should his citizenship spare him the same fate as the rest of Alqueda...seriously? Are we trying to capture this guy so we can rehabilitate this fella and return him to the fold of Americanism?
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Zed
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re: True or False: "The President has authority to respond to the imminent threat
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So no one flinches when we shoot Alqueda on the ground, face to face or when we drone strike insurgents...

But if one of those insurgents that are part of Alqueda happens to be a U.S. Citizen who basically told america to go frick itself, we should go in with hand cuffs and try to capture him so we can just kill him later?
An attempt at apprehension should be made regardless of citizenship status provided the circumstances allow for it IMO.


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Poodlebrain
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re: True or False: "The President has authority to respond to the imminent threat
George W. Bush asserted the President has, or at least should have, this authority. He asked for approval to fight the War on Terror, and Congress pretty much gave him the authority to do so. Since there has been no laws passed ending the War on Terror, the authority still exists, and Obama can exercise the authority.

Extending that authority to cover American citizens in a manner that violates the Constitution's definition of treason, violates the 5th Amendment and the 6th Amendment is a different matter.


doubleb
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re: True or False: "The President has authority to respond to the imminent threat
It isn't like we are combatting criminals here, it's about us combatting armed guerillas who will do almost anything to kill Americans and harm our country.

Like it or not Obama is Commander In Chief and the CIC has got to do what he has to do to protect us even if we don't like him.

If an American citizen is allied with Al Qaeda, it's no difference if he was allied with the Nazis, the British in 1812, or a Southern soldier fighting under the Stars and Bars.

Sorry, when you join the enemy, and fight with the enemy, all the rights you have in the Constitution are flushed down the toilet.

It has to be that way.


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