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re: Study of Biggest Losers finds that the body wants and will fight to be Fat
Posted on 5/2/16 at 10:44 am to Kujo
Posted on 5/2/16 at 10:44 am to Kujo
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As you are probably aware, 99.999% of dieters aren't training 6 hours day, and eating <800 calories....but have a similar story of weight not coming or staying off.
But that's because they are stupid lazy pos's amIright
A diet will not work if it is something that you do for a set period of time, then quit. You can't expect to diet for 3 months, lose 15 lbs, then go back to your life 15 lbs smaller. The point should be to make your lifestyle change to the point that you reach an equilibrium where your metabolism=calories taken in, and you maintain.
Of course your body is going to say "hey I don't need to burn off as many calories, since I'm know just sitting on the couch". Then you've effectively slowed down your metabolism. But, you should never "turn off" your diet. It should now be your lifestyle. Yes, maybe doing the extreme 6 hours of exercise a day is a problem, but just as big a problem is not realizing that a diet never stops. You don't work out to reach a goal, you do it for life.
ETA: I'm not saying this as some insanely fit person. I have my own problems with yo-yo'ing weight. I just know what my problem is. I currently have a good thing going and put in about an hour of work a day. It's easy to see how it works. About 15lbs poured off. Then I started to reach a state where the last 5 lbs took a lot longer to go. I've got about 10 more that I want to lose, but I realize that's a year long goal. I'm reaching a point where I'm at an equilibrium with metabolism and calorie intake. And I don't expect to stay at this weight without continuing my current exercise workload.
This post was edited on 5/2/16 at 11:11 am
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Posted on 5/2/16 at 10:47 am to Kujo
Kind of makes sense. Our bodies are genetically wired to not starve to death. So when you eat less, your body goes into storage mode.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 10:48 am to Jack Daniel
I think this sums it up
Posted on 5/2/16 at 10:48 am to Kujo
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amazing how all the skinny people in the world seem to have this exact,seemingly unobtainably perfect, "just right" amount of diet, and all these fatties can't get it right.
So I'm guessing from the anger you're a fatty?
Posted on 5/2/16 at 10:49 am to Kujo
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love the catch 22
dieting too much, dieting too little
Did you even read the article? Yes: this would be dieting to much
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Mr. Cahill set a goal of a 3,500-caloric deficit per day. The idea was to lose a pound a day. He quit his job as a land surveyor to do it.
Crazy thing is that when he worked out and maintained a diet, he lost weight. When he didn't, he gained it.
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amazing how all the skinny people in the world seem to have this exact,seemingly unobtainably perfect, "just right" amount of diet, and all these fatties can't get it right.
Amazing all the fatties that have been able to turn their lives around....
The study hasn't even been published yet and you're trying to use it as an excuse.
This post was edited on 5/2/16 at 10:52 am
Posted on 5/2/16 at 10:49 am to WhoDat37
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“All my friends were drinking beer and not gaining massive amounts of weight,” Mr. Cahill said. “The moment I started drinking beer, there goes another 20 pounds. I said, ‘This is not right. Something is wrong with my body.’”
It's amazing to me that people who are concerned about their weight are not conscious of the calories in common, everyday foods. They make these blanket statements like "I only had a salad for dinner" and forget to mention the massive amount of cheese, breaded chicken, croutons and salad dressing that is on top of their "salad". That's not to say that losing weight is easy. It's damned hard to not eat more calories than you need. But it's not a fricking mystery where the weight is coming from.Posted on 5/2/16 at 10:50 am to KG6
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A diet will not work if it is something that you do for a set period of time, then quit. You can't expect to diet for 3 months, lose 15 lbs, then go back to your life 15 lbs smaller. The point should be to make your lifestyle change to the point that you reach an equilibrium where your metabolism=calories taken in, and you maintain.
Of course your body is going to say "hey I don't need to burn off as many calories, since I'm know just sitting on the couch". Then you've effectively slowed down your metabolism. But, you should never "turn off" your diet. It should now be your lifestyle. Yes, maybe doing the extreme 6 hours of exercise a day is a problem, but just as big a problem is not realizing that a diet never stops. You don't work out to reach a goal, you do it for life.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 10:51 am to Kujo
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As you are probably aware, 99.999% of dieters aren't training 6 hours day, and eating <800 calories....but have a similar story of weight not coming or staying off.
But that's because they are stupid lazy pos's am I right?
or they have no clue how to diet or about nutrition in general. Actually I find 90% of people period have no clue about proper nutrition or fitness.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 10:52 am to lsu777
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Actually I find 90% of people period have no clue about proper nutrition or fitness.
I'm definitely in that 90%. Which is why I pay someone to tell me what to do.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 10:53 am to BRgetthenet
We're not fat because we eat to much, we eat to much because we're fat
Our bodies are to maintain homeostasis. That means staying the same weight. To do otherwise, (starve the body) is to go against nature
So yea our bodies fight to stay fat, because that's homeostasis.
But our bodies don't discern fat, tall, muscular, ect. It just knows calorie surplus and excess. So it will maintain it.
No one looks at Shaq and is surprised he eats so much, but he is the same as someone who is just fat.
The problem is high calorie food, we eat it we gain wait, are bodies maintain it.
Our bodies are to maintain homeostasis. That means staying the same weight. To do otherwise, (starve the body) is to go against nature
So yea our bodies fight to stay fat, because that's homeostasis.
But our bodies don't discern fat, tall, muscular, ect. It just knows calorie surplus and excess. So it will maintain it.
No one looks at Shaq and is surprised he eats so much, but he is the same as someone who is just fat.
The problem is high calorie food, we eat it we gain wait, are bodies maintain it.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 10:53 am to lsu777
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Mr. Cahill knows that now. And with his report from Dr. Hall’s group showing just how much his metabolism had slowed, he stopped blaming himself for his weight gain. “That shame that was on my shoulders went off,” he said.
Sounds like the biggest loser to me
Posted on 5/2/16 at 10:54 am to Mottleduk
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It's just always been common knowledge that weight training increases the body's metabolism at rest because of the repair that takes place to the muscle tissue.
question. does this apply to all weight training? or do you have to bulk to see the benefits? or can you just do weight-bearing exercises and see benefits?
Posted on 5/2/16 at 10:55 am to SlowFlowPro
Comparatively, I'd say yes.
When losing weight, the weight lost is going to be a lot less muscle and more fat when lifting weights.
Too many people ignore muscle atrophy when losing weight
When losing weight, the weight lost is going to be a lot less muscle and more fat when lifting weights.
Too many people ignore muscle atrophy when losing weight
This post was edited on 5/2/16 at 11:01 am
Posted on 5/2/16 at 10:56 am to gorillacoco
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It's amazing to me that people who are concerned about their weight are not conscious of the calories in common, everyday foods. They make these blanket statements like "I only had a salad for dinner" and forget to mention the massive amount of cheese, breaded chicken, croutons and salad dressing that is on top of their "salad". That's not to say that losing weight is easy. It's damned hard to not eat more calories than you need. But it's not a fricking mystery where the weight is coming from.
This has been my experience. People have no clue what a serving size is nor any clue how many calories are in food. Thats why i just tell everybody to weigh and log everything. I hate this concept as I truly believe it can cause or is a eating disorder but for most people its the only way they can remotely keep on track.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 11:01 am to SlowFlowPro
weight training in general tends to raise metabolism and tends to burn more calories throughout a 24 hour period then steady state cardio does.
but in the end its all about energy balance. Find what you total daily calories burned is and make sure you are burning more. This can be through exercise and calorie deficit or however you want.
There is no special diet. Find what works for you. Many like myself are sensitive to carbs and we tend to shy away from them. I prefer big meals so I do intermittent fasting but in the end its all about calories in vs calories out no matter what anybody says, atleast for anybody not taking forms of PEDs.
but in the end its all about energy balance. Find what you total daily calories burned is and make sure you are burning more. This can be through exercise and calorie deficit or however you want.
There is no special diet. Find what works for you. Many like myself are sensitive to carbs and we tend to shy away from them. I prefer big meals so I do intermittent fasting but in the end its all about calories in vs calories out no matter what anybody says, atleast for anybody not taking forms of PEDs.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 11:01 am to lsu777
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Thats why i just tell everybody to weigh and log everything. I hate this concept as I truly believe it can cause or is a eating disorder but for most people its the only way they can remotely keep on track.
I tried to do it when I first decide to loss weight but I hated it. It was a good exercise and I think everyone should at least try to do it for awhile.
If I were to do it again I would just go full meal prep.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 11:02 am to WhoDat37
i've got my eating pretty good now. i'm even skipping "cheat" snacks (it's like pastries and not just 1 snack) on some weekends. i've got cravings under control and my main carbs are from filling stuff like apples or whole milk/plain yogurt. i've also started being pretty regular in an 8pm to 11-12 the next day fast most days
Posted on 5/2/16 at 11:03 am to lsu777
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but in the end its all about energy balance. Find what you total daily calories burned is and make sure you are burning more. This can be through exercise and calorie deficit or however you want.
i'm doing well with teh food part and have lost almost 10 lbs (even with some failure in there) over 2.5 months
i need to add in exercise, though. for overall health and weight. i'll probably start with HIIT (T25 again) and may add in some weights
Posted on 5/2/16 at 11:05 am to IT_Dawg
Just more evidence that these fatties can't help it anymore than the gays can. In fact, this more concrete evidence over anything that shows homosexuality is genetic
Posted on 5/2/16 at 11:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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