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re: Study of Biggest Losers finds that the body wants and will fight to be Fat
Posted on 5/2/16 at 12:49 pm to lsunurse
Posted on 5/2/16 at 12:49 pm to lsunurse
agreed I'm 36 and it's a struggle. It's something I stay obsessive about though because the moment I don't it goes bad quick. It's almost treating it like an addiction even though I was never a very bad eater to begin with. I never was a big sweets eater or anything like that. I just never knew what real good food was for the longest time.
It's funny how i used to think Wheat Bread, Rice cakes, and lean cuisine were the answer. Now i know I can eat steak and Pork loin and actually loose weight much easier.
It's funny how i used to think Wheat Bread, Rice cakes, and lean cuisine were the answer. Now i know I can eat steak and Pork loin and actually loose weight much easier.
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Posted on 5/2/16 at 12:49 pm to lsu777
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Its a shite study based upon a shite diet performed by a drug company who's sole purpose is to sell more pills.
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This research was supported by the Intramural Research Program of the NIH, National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 12:50 pm to Kujo
Do you do cardio, or purely lift weights? I know a lot of people here make the comments that lifting weights helps burn fat better, but I don't fully think that's the case. I worked out lifting weights from April of last year until November. Definitely got in better shape, but saw no fat loss, no major weight loss at the scales, and no change in the fit of my clothes. I'd say I spent an hour at the gym 5-6 days a week. Since November, I've started training for triathlons (only rode bikes before), and my pants from before are nearly falling off my hips. I eat the same. I'll admit that sometimes, the hours I'm putting in per week are higher, but not that much higher and certainly not every week.
I've also learned that not all cardio is equal. Weight came off even faster when I started monitoring my heart rate and did a lot of workouts in my Zone 2 heart rate (known as the fat burning zone). It feels extremely slow, but it has shown results. Once out of that zone, your body is burning off sugars/carbs for quicker energy consumption. If you get your heart rate up to much, it cannot utilize fat properly. For my training, I need to learn to use both, so I train at different levels, but spending a lot of time in Z2 is beneficial for weight loss.
I know it sounds like a broken record, and it's not as easy as it is to say, but ultimately, the calorie thing is true. Law of conservation of energy. It cannot be created nor destroyed. If you burn more than you put it, you are running on a deficit, and will eat in to your fat supply eventually. Even if it isn't healthy food, it won't be good for you, but you will run on a deficit and you will lose weight. You will just lack energy and it will be tough on your body.
I've also learned that not all cardio is equal. Weight came off even faster when I started monitoring my heart rate and did a lot of workouts in my Zone 2 heart rate (known as the fat burning zone). It feels extremely slow, but it has shown results. Once out of that zone, your body is burning off sugars/carbs for quicker energy consumption. If you get your heart rate up to much, it cannot utilize fat properly. For my training, I need to learn to use both, so I train at different levels, but spending a lot of time in Z2 is beneficial for weight loss.
I know it sounds like a broken record, and it's not as easy as it is to say, but ultimately, the calorie thing is true. Law of conservation of energy. It cannot be created nor destroyed. If you burn more than you put it, you are running on a deficit, and will eat in to your fat supply eventually. Even if it isn't healthy food, it won't be good for you, but you will run on a deficit and you will lose weight. You will just lack energy and it will be tough on your body.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 12:54 pm to mindbreaker
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This isn't 100% true either. I've lost over 100 pounds and I'm still loosing I haven't monitored my calorie count one time.
I've also spoken to doctors and nutritionist and learned what it was to put good food in your body. See the calorie thing is a good quick indicator but what it boils down to is eating food that your body can actually use.
for example a banana on average has 110 calories which is more than a 100 calorie bag of cookies. But there isn't anything in a cookie your body can do with it beside turn it into fat. Same goes for what people consider real foods, Bread, Rice, Pasta the only thing your body could do with that stuff is use it for quick energy if you are about to exert yourself.
If you limit everything you eat to nutrient rich foods. Good vegetables, Fruits, Lean meats. You really don't have to count calories.
Currenlty I am down 110 pounds I used to weight 400. I work out 4 days a week lifting only and no cardio. occasionally I will eat bad, but it is one meal every two weeks or so. Not a whole day every week like some diets allow for you.
Clean eating that is 90% of it. Keep in mind that there is some truth to the fact that your body will adjust and there might be a couple weeks were the number on the scale gets stagnant. But that is a normal thing.
As someone said earlier though you have to wrap your head around the fact this isn't a temporary fix. In order to maintain this I have to eat, work-out, and live like this the rest of my life.
I believe you. I have "people" with similar results....
777 is spot on with everything he posts, but I disagree with him on this particular item. Calories account for the thermodynamic process that goes on. They do not tell us much about the inner workings of the process/causality (hormonal and micro biome impact are likely the bigger players)
Best example of the "causality" that I am describing
Personally for me, I maintain 225 at 6'2'' I get around 8 to 10% body fat in the summer. I do this all by subtle manipulation of macronutrients/Leangains approach and adding HIIT to baseline strength training in the summer. I train 3 days/week. I have a very entailed job/career and a family (multiple young children).
I do not feel the need to add the extra stress of calorie counting (google allostatic stress load and the work of Bruce McEwen to get a better understanding why). In many instance it is a prohibitive step for people and added stress torpedoes the process. If it your job to know/do this, great. If you are young and have ample free time to do this, great. If you are outsourcing this to a trainer, great. It is not required for results (compliance with counting calories is very poor in my experience with "people")
This post was edited on 5/2/16 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 5/2/16 at 12:55 pm to KG6
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KG6
Finally found a cardio that I love. Got a decent hybrid bike in March and have been addicted to riding lately. Trying to make myself fit in some weight training workouts now cause all I want to do is just ride my bike when I have some time to workout. It's been an amazing stress reliever as well.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 12:56 pm to WhoDat37
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You don't just get to stop working towards being healthy and fit. It's a constant battle. I'm sorry there isn't a magical pill for you to take that instantly let's you accomplish what you want. That seems to be your real issue here. You're uninformed and have possibly the worst attitude I've come across.
A lot of people with weight issues look at other people that don't even work out and remain skinny and it fricks with their head.
Kujo, you were just dealt a shitty hand in the genetics department. If weight loss is important to you, know that you just need to work harder at it than others to achieve the same goal. Sooner you come to grips with it, the better your results will be.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 12:57 pm to KG6
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I've also learned that not all cardio is equal.
The thing that worked, and I mean worked was swimming.
I dropped 15 in just like 6 weeks after working out 5 days/week(treadmill, bike, elliptical) for 4 months losing absolutely nothing. (I actually gained 5 lbs)
Unfortunately I got transferred and am not near a pool, unless someone can inform me about a club with a pool in Ascension. Not making a 40 mile round-trip commute to a pool in BTR every other day.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 12:57 pm to lsu777
Pretty good response:
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"The biggest problem with "The Biggest Loser" strategy is that they are using the wrong metric (weight), when they should really be strategizing for how to lose body fat mass while maintaining lean mass. Long periods of time spent in a severe negative energy balance, a common occurrence with 'dieting' coupled with intense exercise, down regulates metabolic (i.e., lean) mass as the body attempts to adapt to the inadequate energy (calorie) provision. Put simply, the body's reaction to an inadequate caloric intake is to lower the tissue that needs calories (muscle/organ mass) as a survival strategy. This outcome is made worse by creating a hyperinsulinemia following hunger (you make more fat), and a failure to shut off ghrelin (the appetite stimulating hormone)...so you eat more when you finally do eat. The health problems associated with obesity are a result of too much body fat, not too much weight.
The strategies for losing BODY FAT while maintaining lean mass are entirely different than the strategies for losing 'weight'. The program should change both it's strategy and it's name to: "The Biggest FAT Loser". Then, and only then, will we show people how to go about getting healthier."
Dan Benardot, PhD, DHC, RD, LD, FACSM Professor, Dept of Nutrition Professor, Dept of Kinesiology and Health Georgia State University Nutritionist, The Atlanta Falcons
This post was edited on 5/2/16 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 5/2/16 at 12:58 pm to Kujo
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So you're never cured, only in remission.
it isn't cancer dude, you have a terrible attitude.
btw just because your thyroid was in normal range doesn't mean you don't have a problem. The range is for adults from 1 to 84 or something like that. Sorry but if you are 30 and have the thyroid output of a 80 year old, you have an issue. Examine the lab results yourself. Same with the cortisol and find a doctor that specializes in this.
Seen this issue a bunch, doc says they are good because they are in range and the patient never reviews the results. Come to find out they are barely within range and have the output of somebody twice their age. They find a better doctor and boom they start getting the results they should.
but again if you don't even know your TDEE and exactly how much you are eating on a weekly basis how can you even complain? how do you know you aren't overeating? Do you know how much protein/carbs/fat you are intaking?
In my experience people that are fat tend to sneak food and they hide it and act like it doesn't count and not log it. In other words they justify the snacks. They continue their fatty habits and hide it from the rest of the world.
Only way to lose the weight 100% of the time and keep it off is change your habits. Weigh and log every single thing that goes in your mouth. Check your blood sugar frequently. Weigh in on a weekly basis and adjust. Weight train 2 to 3 days a week with heavy weight on a proven program(i suggest greyskull lp or wendler)
stop making excuses and feeling sorry for yourself and find the problem, then fix it.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 12:58 pm to Kujo
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Unfortunately I got transferred and am not near a pool, unless someone can inform me about a club with a pool in Ascension. Not making a 40 mile round-trip commute to a pool in BTR every other day.
Man, another excuse.
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The thing that worked, and I mean worked was swimming.
I dropped 15 in just like 6 weeks after working out 5 days/week(treadmill, bike, elliptical) for 4 months losing absolutely nothing. (I actually gained 5 lbs)
Which kind of throws the rest of your arguments out of the water
This post was edited on 5/2/16 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 5/2/16 at 1:00 pm to Winkface
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Its a shite study based upon a shite diet performed by a drug company who's sole purpose is to sell more pills.
FALSE
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This research was supported by the Intramural Research Program of the NIH, National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases.
Apparently I was wrong on this. I didn't read the full article and just assumed the poster above me was correct, I apologize. Guess it was habit to assume it was funded by a drug company because 90% of these studies are.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 1:01 pm to lsu777
It's still based on a small sample with a very specific history
Has the study been published yet? It said it would be today
Has the study been published yet? It said it would be today
Posted on 5/2/16 at 1:04 pm to WhoDat37
If it doesn't work you didn't turn fast enough
Posted on 5/2/16 at 1:04 pm to lsu777
I get what you are saying my point was 100% of the bag of cookies in the reference contains things your body can't use. Where as the percentage of the banana that is bad for you (the fructose part) isn't all 110 calories. There is also Fiber and protein in the banana that contains calories that aren't bad for you.
Another example 100 calories of white bread vs 100 calories of broccoli. Same concept calorie in vs calorie shouldn't be the be all indicator. Then you have the same problem of people eating preservative/sodium bombs that are lean cuisine frozen dinners, and 100 calorie snack packs of chips when they would be better off eating a 200 calorie handful of almonds.
But for the most part it boils down to calories in calories out I agree. Still for real maintained success more work needs to be done on understanding what those calories are. Following the calories in calories out model will not stop you from eating crap food.
Here is the kicker though and the part that amazed me. When you actually eat nutrient rich good foods your hunger and desire to constantly eat virtually disappears on its own.
Another example 100 calories of white bread vs 100 calories of broccoli. Same concept calorie in vs calorie shouldn't be the be all indicator. Then you have the same problem of people eating preservative/sodium bombs that are lean cuisine frozen dinners, and 100 calorie snack packs of chips when they would be better off eating a 200 calorie handful of almonds.
But for the most part it boils down to calories in calories out I agree. Still for real maintained success more work needs to be done on understanding what those calories are. Following the calories in calories out model will not stop you from eating crap food.
Here is the kicker though and the part that amazed me. When you actually eat nutrient rich good foods your hunger and desire to constantly eat virtually disappears on its own.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 1:04 pm to lsu777
quote:Thank you. The study is published in a well known Obesity journal. In fact, the two people running the journal are from Pennington and most people in Baton Rouge/Louisiana probably have no idea. I don't know why so many want to hate on the study. They aren't trying to legitimize the Biggest Loser competition. The are simply studying it, reporting their results and learning from it.
Apparently I was wrong on this. I didn't read the full article and just assumed the poster above me was correct, I apologize. Guess it was habit to assume it was funded by a drug company because 90% of these studies are.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 1:06 pm to WhoDat37
quote:yes
Has the study been published yet?
Posted on 5/2/16 at 1:08 pm to mindbreaker
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There is also Fiber and protein in the banana that contains calories that aren't bad for you.
i think your average joe who has weight issues doesn't realize how much little snacking adds up over time
the key, imho, is to change the habits by finding dense foods that keep you full to avoid the desire to snack. protein, fat, and fiber primarily. those carb-based foods do nothing for hunger (even as an admitted fatty, i never understood why kids would ever do something like, eat chips, if they were hungry. i didn't eat chips to fill up
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But for the most part it boils down to calories in calories out I agree. Still for real maintained success more work needs to be done on understanding what those calories are. Following the calories in calories out model will not stop you from eating crap food.
i think crap food just makes it more difficult to eat the same number of calories without a severe physical issue
Posted on 5/2/16 at 1:08 pm to Jarlaxle
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Such bullshite! Change what you eat not how much idiots.
This x's a hundred
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