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re: Study of Biggest Losers finds that the body wants and will fight to be Fat
Posted on 5/3/16 at 3:09 pm to lsu777
Posted on 5/3/16 at 3:09 pm to lsu777
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But honestly in 2 hours on a sunday you should be able to meal prep for the week. 3 max. or you could just get a smoker or cajun microwave and cook up a few pounds of meat and then fire up the grill with a ton of cut up veggies and cook them like that pretty easily while making a day of being outside.
I like a big, fresh dinner.. so the SO and I usually cook 2 things on Sundays and eat those 2 things for lunch, and we cook a dinner almost every night. Gives us something to do together, as well.
Example.. Cook a big tray of chicken thighs, roasted cabbage, cheesy cauliflower rice. Pack it up into lunches. Cook a big pot of smothered cabbage with steak, with rotel, roast a bunch of broccoli and that is our 2nd round of lunches. Then we just cook dinner every night.
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Posted on 5/3/16 at 3:10 pm to mindbreaker
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I don't blame my parents though they were just as uneducated on nutrition at the time.
I dont know how we break this chain. There are so many deep rooted cultural food habits in our state that will make it impossible. And its not just one race, all races in the south have issues with what they consume as a diet on a regular basis.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 3:11 pm to McLemore
So there's no basis on genetic pre-disposition or anything related that makes the body want to be a certain "non-optimal" BMI?
Maybe I'm not saying it correctly, but is the idea that some people have bodies that fight any weight-loss by lowering metabolism until it reaches some an arbitrary "optimal"....is horse-shite and only applies to Biggest Loser type weight loss and not to any other weight loss?
Not an excuse, just is it reality that (all else being equal age,sex,height) certain people naturally burn 400-800 less calories/day than a peer, and furthermore they retain a higher % of calories that they consume?
(meaning, two people eat a 1,000 calorie meal, 1 person's digestive efficiency absorbs 950cal, and the other absorbs 800 cal, with the remainder passing through without absorption)
Just for due diligence, are there ANY other internal variables that determine outcome...save cal in/out?
Also, why do you not need to count calories under Keto..and people say to smother everything in cheese and crap like that....why does cal in/out not apply when there's no carbs?
Maybe I'm not saying it correctly, but is the idea that some people have bodies that fight any weight-loss by lowering metabolism until it reaches some an arbitrary "optimal"....is horse-shite and only applies to Biggest Loser type weight loss and not to any other weight loss?
Not an excuse, just is it reality that (all else being equal age,sex,height) certain people naturally burn 400-800 less calories/day than a peer, and furthermore they retain a higher % of calories that they consume?
(meaning, two people eat a 1,000 calorie meal, 1 person's digestive efficiency absorbs 950cal, and the other absorbs 800 cal, with the remainder passing through without absorption)
Just for due diligence, are there ANY other internal variables that determine outcome...save cal in/out?
Also, why do you not need to count calories under Keto..and people say to smother everything in cheese and crap like that....why does cal in/out not apply when there's no carbs?
Posted on 5/3/16 at 3:14 pm to mindbreaker
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lot of truth here. I suffered from this growing up pantry full of cereal, little debbies and potato chips. I don't blame my parents though they were just as uneducated on nutrition at the time. Poor health killed my father at 54 and we was never obese but that didn't mean he was healthy as I've since found out.
Me as well.
Except I absolutely blame my parents and family, and hold it against them as well. Nothing stopped them from learning how to feed their children properly; it feels like a lack of care. It pisses me off. And it pisses me off when I see young kids that are obese. IMO, parents should be tried for child abuse if their children are obese, unless the parents can prove the kid has medical complications. Parents like on that shitty show "honey boo boo" or whatever are what I'm aiming at.
That said, I love my family. I just don't broach that subject with them.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 3:17 pm to Hulkklogan
Yeah there's a combination of hereditary and habit created from environment. It's easy to connect the dots when you walk through a grocery store of how the parents are the main reason for it all. I'm no svelte braun 
but I definitely am happy my parents were fairly healthy for us growing up. My grandparents force fed vegetables down our throats
but I definitely am happy my parents were fairly healthy for us growing up. My grandparents force fed vegetables down our throats Posted on 5/3/16 at 3:20 pm to Kujo
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Also, why do you not need to count calories under Keto..and people say to smother everything in cheese and crap like that....why does cal in/out not apply when there's no carbs?
It absolutely does. I count on keto. Most people do. Keto affects some people in such a way that they find they are not nearly as hungry on keto and they have the luxury of not counting.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 3:23 pm to Kujo
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Just for due diligence, are there ANY other internal variables that determine outcome...save cal in/out?
well in the end this is all about finding calories out. No one person is going to burn the same amount of calories even all other variables being the same. Thats why I was saying to find your TDEE and do 20% less calories. If you haven't loss any weight and were very strict to the calories well you have to adjust down.
Absolutely there are variables but you can account for them. In the end its all about cals.
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Not an excuse, just is it reality that (all else being equal age,sex,height) certain people naturally burn 400-800 less calories/day than a peer, and furthermore they retain a higher % of calories that they consume?
yes this is reality to a certain extent(you worded it weird. Some people will burn off more of those calories because some people are less efficient at using them. its just the nature of our genetics but it can be changed over time.
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Also, why do you not need to count calories under Keto..and people say to smother everything in cheese and crap like that....why does cal in/out not apply when there's no carbs?
Its not that calories don't matter they absolutely do. But for many its hard to get to the amount of calories you need and the amount of fat you should intake without doing things like that. Its hard to eat a lot of cals from protein and fat for most. Carbs....its easy to do. Most people are looking to get 60 to 65% of their cals from fat so they figure out ways to do that. For many this means adding cheese to meats or butter on meats etc.
But overall calories still matter.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 3:23 pm to mindbreaker
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lot of truth here. I suffered from this growing up pantry full of cereal, little debbies and potato chips. I don't blame my parents though they were just as uneducated on nutrition at the time. Poor health killed my father at 54 and we was never obese but that didn't mean he was healthy as I've since found out.
did he eat what you ate? why wasn't he fat as well?
I was raised on diet soda, Mom was always on a diet and we never had things like twinkees, little debbies....we never had butter in the house either.
We did like Chinese food and use to go to the Buffet after church, but other than that, my childhood was school breakfast, school lunch.....and then dinners were not unhealthy....and were usually some form of weight watchers "points" system...but portion size may have been bigger, not sure
Whenever I'd go to a friend's house, they had all the junk food....chips, candy, real soda...we didn't have those.
This post was edited on 5/3/16 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 5/3/16 at 3:28 pm to Kujo
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I was raised on diet soda
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Whenever I'd go to a friend's house, they had all the junk food....chips, candy, real soda...we didn't have those.
Diet soda is not some great alternative to regular soda.
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.we never had butter in the house either.
real butter is not terrible for you.
eta: you seem like youre fishing for someone to tell you there is a reason, out of your control, as to why you arent the weight you want to be.
This post was edited on 5/3/16 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 5/3/16 at 3:35 pm to Jones
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real butter is not terrible for you.
all i cook with is real butter, bacon drippings and coconut oil every once in a while. Is its not solid at 65 degrees i dont cook with it.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 3:36 pm to Jarlaxle
I like to use avocado oil for searing, like when cooking steaks. High burn point.
I want to start making ghee, though.
I want to start making ghee, though.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 3:39 pm to Hulkklogan
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I want to start making ghee, though.
Agreed.
Just started experimenting with real lard.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 3:43 pm to Hulkklogan
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I want to start making ghee, though.
You could just buy some from an Indian grocery but I am sure it would be more cost effective to make your own.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 3:45 pm to mouton
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How was it measured?
Over the years, I've had it done with calipers, in a water tank and with an impedance machine.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 3:50 pm to mouton
I can get it from Amazon if I want, but yes. And it's not hard at all to make.
There's a part of me that really enjoys making my own sauces and stuff. I now make my own mayo, blue cheese dressing from said mayo, and i want to start making ghee soon.
I had the realization last week that I'm getting fricking old because I got excited about finding pre-riced cauliflower at trader joe's
There's a part of me that really enjoys making my own sauces and stuff. I now make my own mayo, blue cheese dressing from said mayo, and i want to start making ghee soon.
I had the realization last week that I'm getting fricking old because I got excited about finding pre-riced cauliflower at trader joe's
This post was edited on 5/3/16 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 5/3/16 at 3:51 pm to Kujo
i think there are bases for the conclusion that it's much easier for some people to maintain and lose weight due to different metabolisms, and some of that is likely genetic in some fashion.
but I also believe that, even with those factors, eating the right things (which leads to proper portioning) can render almost everyone healthy (from a nutrition and weight standpoint, which leads to greater overall health).
And, that is both easier and harder than it may appear--easier because you can eat a lot of great tasty, affordable stuff and still be healthy; harder because commercially prepared, packaged, sold food is generally majorly fricked up + our government and the "food" industry have long propagated very dangerous dietary guidelines and habits.
Plus, as evidenced by that article, the go-to solution for so many "experts" seems to be drugs, rather than food/diet research, education, emotional/psychological support, etc.
but I also believe that, even with those factors, eating the right things (which leads to proper portioning) can render almost everyone healthy (from a nutrition and weight standpoint, which leads to greater overall health).
And, that is both easier and harder than it may appear--easier because you can eat a lot of great tasty, affordable stuff and still be healthy; harder because commercially prepared, packaged, sold food is generally majorly fricked up + our government and the "food" industry have long propagated very dangerous dietary guidelines and habits.
Plus, as evidenced by that article, the go-to solution for so many "experts" seems to be drugs, rather than food/diet research, education, emotional/psychological support, etc.
This post was edited on 5/3/16 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 5/3/16 at 4:02 pm to lsu777
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and you really run close to 50 miles a week? I'm not judging I asking honestly, do you believe this to be healthy and good for your body?
50 miles a week is on the moderate side. It sounds like most of the folks you know who are runners are primarily recreational runners (not that I'm denying I am one now).
I have no idea what "real" weight lifting and the science is all about. I know running and what my experience was. Depending on what I was doing I averaged 70 for anything under 1/2 distances and up to 115-120 for marathon training. Please understand the distance was never static. I believed in periodization. My mileage in the winter might be as low as 50 or so. I liked to race in the fall because that was the season I was accustomed to as a young guy. Spring races were never my best as I was rounding into race shape.
I wish I could say I ran with the true elites. I was on the outside looking in. I once smoked a guy who ran in the 84 olympics. I was pretty cocky until a mutual friend told me that he was coming off of a serious knee injury.
I can't speak for how healthy running is as it is my lifestyle. I'm not a drinker or smoker. Running has always been my physical outlet and my passion athletically. Only fishing compares, well that and sex.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 4:14 pm to Kujo
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did he eat what you ate? why wasn't he fat as well?
He did and the reason why he didn't get large like me doesn't matter honestly. Genetically he may burn more calories at rest than I do. Don't know but him at 54 being slightly overweight, and me now still considered obese I am healthier than he ever was.
If your focus is on just being fat or overweight you are doing it wrong. The goal is good health. I can assure you if you do that and do it correctly the weight will take care of itself.
I get where you are at because I've personally been there and I'm still there to a degree. It sucks man it really does. But you have to treat it as a disease. I have a disease and my medication is eating right and exercising regularly the rest of my life. IF I don't I die early. Simple as that
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:18 pm to mouton
They sell Ghee at Whole Foods. It has a very nutty flavor but a high smoke point. I like it along with Avocado Oil from Costco. High Oleic Sunflower Oil for mayonnaise and Toum when a neutral light flavor is ideal.
This post was edited on 5/3/16 at 10:22 pm
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