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re: Runners- need help with a pain
Posted on 6/9/14 at 7:53 am to biglego
Posted on 6/9/14 at 7:53 am to biglego
quote:everyone is different. Some are built to take the pounding, some aren't. Some start running but have a lot of dysfunction in the ankles or LPHC & the problems start. They don't fix themselves, you gotta find the cause and treat it. Getting a runner to back off & fix the shite that's making them hurt is one if the most frustrating things ever! Lol
I don't know if humans are evolved to run miles on pavement tho
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Posted on 6/9/14 at 7:59 am to biglego
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I don't know if humans are evolved to run miles on pavement tho
Alberto Salazar's group include Mo Farah and Rupp run zero miles on pavement. It's all on track, trails, or treadmill
Posted on 6/9/14 at 8:15 am to dallastiger55
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i read a book called "born to run" about a group in mexico that runs a marathon every day barefoot
This is the book that got me to up my miles. And lose 45lbs, which made my doctor very happy. I don't run barefoot, but I did stop buying expensive running shoes...
Posted on 6/9/14 at 8:15 am to usc6158
The amount of mileage someone runs is only 1 piece of info as to what might have caused the problem and what the best remedy might be.
Some months of the year I may average 30 miles per week while other months I may average over 50, but going from 30 one week to 50 the next is a recipe for pain and injury.
If a correct build was followed, there is no reason that someone can't run 6-7 days a week with very high mileage. That being said, even high mileage runners do need rest weeks every now and then.
My simple solution would be rest a couple weeks as well because just from what I have seen of the OPs posts and my judgement to his ability/knowledge level, he probably started too soon too fast and did not allow for a proper adaptation to high weekly mileage.
What someone else does is irrelevant if you don't build and train the correct way to get there. Also, the higher the mileage the more things like proper form/stretching/rolling etc may come into play.
Simply knowing the miles and pace you run per week is only a very small small small piece to the puzzle.
Some months of the year I may average 30 miles per week while other months I may average over 50, but going from 30 one week to 50 the next is a recipe for pain and injury.
If a correct build was followed, there is no reason that someone can't run 6-7 days a week with very high mileage. That being said, even high mileage runners do need rest weeks every now and then.
My simple solution would be rest a couple weeks as well because just from what I have seen of the OPs posts and my judgement to his ability/knowledge level, he probably started too soon too fast and did not allow for a proper adaptation to high weekly mileage.
What someone else does is irrelevant if you don't build and train the correct way to get there. Also, the higher the mileage the more things like proper form/stretching/rolling etc may come into play.
Simply knowing the miles and pace you run per week is only a very small small small piece to the puzzle.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 8:22 am to dallastiger55
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I lost 60 lbs and have kept it off by running. Don't plan to gain any back
Running isn't the only way to lose weight/keep weight off. I do feel you're at an overuse situation. You indicated you haven't had this type of pain before. I assume you've tried RICE.
Mileage seems high for conditioning - but not if you are a marathoner - you can try crosstraining - particularly aerobic rowing (if you have access) or swimming (we're not into summer) - and see if that doesn't help. Sounds too high to be a hammy, but it could be - it could also be in the glute - sounds like overuse (tendinopathy) - and I wouldn't rule out you've picked up some biomechanical abnormalities. Back off the mileage for a couple of weeks and/or get your gait analyzed to rule out the obvious stuff. After that, you can progress to the sports medicine/MRI, medication and potentially surgical route.
ETA: Perhaps add some hip flexor stretches - I'm not a big stretching advocate, but if you're having trouble with the larger muscle groups - (lack of) flexibility is often a factor.
This post was edited on 6/9/14 at 8:24 am
Posted on 6/9/14 at 8:40 am to dallastiger55
Good work on the running. Try stretches of course. Maybe even yoga, it works wonders. Otherwise cut back or lay off a bit? How long have you been doing this regimen?
Posted on 6/9/14 at 9:00 am to USMCTiger03
quote:not necessarily. This is a common mistake. A lot of times a muscle is in pain because it is weak and/or lengthened. If the antagonistic muscle is dominate, it will cause tension (or a lengthening) in the agonist. So in other words, you'd be stretching a muscle that is already stretched
Try stretches of course
This post was edited on 6/9/14 at 9:01 am
Posted on 6/9/14 at 9:00 am to Schmelly
Smarty pants.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 9:01 am to Ace Midnight
quote:
Running isn't the only way to lose weight/keep weight off. I do feel you're at an overuse situation. You indicated you haven't had this type of pain before. I assume you've tried RICE. Mileage seems high for conditioning - but not if you are a marathoner - you can try crosstraining - particularly aerobic rowing (if you have access) or swimming (we're not into summer) - and see if that doesn't help. Sounds too high to be a hammy, but it could be - it could also be in the glute - sounds like overuse (tendinopathy) - and I wouldn't rule out you've picked up some biomechanical abnormalities. Back off the mileage for a couple of weeks and/or get your gait analyzed to rule out the obvious stuff. After that, you can progress to the sports medicine/MRI, medication and potentially surgical route. ETA: Perhaps add some hip flexor stretches - I'm not a big stretching advocate, but if you're having trouble with the larger muscle groups - (lack of) flexibility is often a factor.
Much common sense in this post.
I would also add that if the OP is a larger runner, he will have to change shoes more often.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 9:01 am to The Sad Banana
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Smarty pants.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 9:33 am to dallastiger55
Why not back off the running a bit and clean up your diet??
Posted on 6/9/14 at 9:36 am to dallastiger55
Could be your piriformis muscle.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 9:44 am to Cdawg
I've been doing this for 3-4 years now
Eat very clean 80% of the time and only drink on Saturday nights
I'm just anal about my body and when you lose a ton of weight you freak out if you scale back or not work out that you will gain it all back. Unless you've been there its hard to understand
Eat very clean 80% of the time and only drink on Saturday nights
I'm just anal about my body and when you lose a ton of weight you freak out if you scale back or not work out that you will gain it all back. Unless you've been there its hard to understand
Posted on 6/9/14 at 9:46 am to dallastiger55
I understand. Now, have you thought about your piriformis?
Posted on 6/9/14 at 9:49 am to Ace Midnight
Got a kid who fights calf cramps pretty regularly. Any advice?
He doesn't do long distance, but sprints. Obviously we stretch and warmup and eat right and stay hydrated.
He doesn't do long distance, but sprints. Obviously we stretch and warmup and eat right and stay hydrated.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 9:55 am to dallastiger55
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Unless you've been there its hard to understand
i get it. i went from 220 (which would've been healthy probably had it been more muscle) to 168 in a two-year period. Simple lifestyle changes. And i agree that some people's bodies can be conditioned to take the pounding of running, but i have a feeling even most of them are going to be feeling it in old age.
Running is my go-to because you just step out the door and go, whether it's at home or traveling. And I am blessed with miles and miles of trails around my abodes (urban and rural/mtn). But as I age, I am trying to really sub in other stuff.
So, I've crept back into the low 90s--a lot of it is muscle, but i understand that it takes daily work and discipline to not become a fatass again.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 9:57 am to BigEdLSU
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calf cramps
Pickle juice.
(If you think it could possibly be hydration-related)
Posted on 6/9/14 at 9:57 am to dallastiger55
May be a lumbar disc.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:11 am to dallastiger55
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dallastiger55
Other than your current weekly mileage, what other information can you provide?
Do you do core strengthening work? Massages regularly (to bring attention to problem areas)? How is your form (not foot strike but where is your foot when it lands)? How long did you build your mileage to what it currently is? Did you follow the 10% rule? Do you change your chose regularly? Are all your runs the same pace pace/effort? Do you do track-work? Tempo runs? Long slow runs?
It sounds to many people (myself included) you are new to the sport and took on too much too fast, in which case rest and education might be your best course of action, but without other details it is really hard to say.
if you're going to be hard headed and remove rest as a possible solution, then just keep doing what you're doing until you hit a point than you can't run anymore, then see what "rest" is really like when you can't run for months.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:12 am to dallastiger55
quote:
I've been doing this for 3-4 years now
Eat very clean 80% of the time and only drink on Saturday nights
I'm just anal about my body and when you lose a ton of weight you freak out if you scale back or not work out that you will gain it all back. Unless you've been there its hard to understand
Take time off of running and let that thing heal. Are you doing any weights? Maybe try subbing in strength training while you let your glute heal?
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